When hurting people walk into the church, what happens next? Too often, pastors and leaders feel unequipped and overwhelmed — unsure how to respond to struggles ranging from anxiety to trauma to marriage crises. In this conversation, Harvard-trained researcher Shaunti Feldhahn and psychologist Dr. Jim Sells join us to share insights from their groundbreaking research on mental health in the church. Together with Dave and Ann Wilson, they explore why simply “referring out” isn’t enough — and how every believer can learn to listen, care, and walk with people in pain. You don’t need all the answers to make a difference. Sometimes, being present is the most powerful ministry of all.

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