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“So, you had this left-wing, pro-communist and left-wing, anti-communist sections in our intelligence services. And then when the OSS was abolished, many went into the State Department. And they shaped the policies that we’re living with today.”

In this episode, I sit down with Michael Waller, senior analyst for strategy at the Center for Security Policy and the author of “Big Intel: How the CIA and FBI Went from Cold War Heroes to Deep State Villains.”

“There was a breaking point in the FBI and the CIA where they stopped serving American interests,” says Mr. Waller. “It ceases to serve the American interest if they view themselves as states within a state.”

We dive into how the Soviet Union influenced our intelligence and security agencies, and how President Barack Obama fundamentally altered their agendas.

“They’re making our own FBI agents and CIA officers what they call ‘agents of change,’ to change our culture. This is not legal. This is not what the intelligence community is for,” says Mr. Waller.

He also reflects on Tucker Carlson’s recent interview with Vladimir Putin.

“I think any journalist should go meet any foreign leader and get whatever information or disinformation he can out of him. As long as he knows it’s all an orchestrated setup on the other side,” says Mr. Waller.

Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.