In this episode, Paul is joined by Doug Johnson, founder and director at Mesh Energy, an independent and trusted services consultant focusing on providing innovative sustainable energy services to clients, architects, and the construction industry.

In today’s conversation, we discussed the design process and how best to manage it, explicitly considering M & E and services design. So often, in my experience, clients pay less attention to service design than they should do in the early stages of the project, and Doug and I debate this topic and how best to incorporate and coordinate service designers into the Design Team.

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