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SERIES: Role of the Public Sector
"If you're just doing a very limited role and not maximizing your contribution, you're selling yourself short. And it's probably not why you were selected." -Aristotle Wolfe
Episode Description:
"To Protect and To Serve" is more than a motto. It is a vow that every police officer must take seriously. What does it mean to be a police officer in the middle of a disaster? What roles and responsibilities do they have? What is the best approach to protect and serve? What lessons can we learn about communication and evacuation? How can we fill the gap and fine-tune our strategies to build resiliency and encourage cooperation? What can citizens do to support the work and the people doing the work? How can leaders stand up as a leader of leaders, leader of a team, and a leader for themselves and their families? These are important questions that have life-saving answers. Listen in as Jennifer and CHP officer Aristotle Wolfe walk you through the life of a police officer.
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Highlights:
04:50: A Unique Job Description
09:51: What The Job Means
19:05: Who Plays Which Role?
26:21: Communication Lessons
33:47: Leader of Leaders
44:51: What People Can Do
48:12: Be a Human Being
57:21: Maximize Your Role
SERIES: Role of the Mental Health Care Leaders
"We have to go beyond education, we need mental health action!" -Adrienne Heinz, Ph.D.
Episode Description:
What's more terrifying and costly than cancer? Untreated mental health issues. Mental health is a huge part of recovery after a disaster. This week, Jennifer interviews Dr. Adrienne Heinz for an in-depth discussion about mental health. Dr. Heinz talks about the mindsets most people have about mental health, why it is important to address trauma as a community and as helpers, and how to overcome crisis fatigue. She also shares helpful apps and exercises to help you slow down, de-stress, and fight off anxiety. Join the conversation, recover from the inside, and reimagine a new tomorrow!
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Highlights:
05:17: The Struggle with Collective Trauma
11:55: The Digital Aspect of Mental Health Intervention
19:19: The Stages of Grief
25:13: The Present and Future of Apps
29:33: The Value of Mental Health
35:26: Overcome Crisis Fatigue
38:38: Stimulate Your Vagus Nerve
41:25: Breathing Exercise
SERIES: Role of the Public Sector
"When things go wrong, if you're not already ready, it's too late to get ready." -Nancy Brown
Episode Description:
Preparedness builds resilience and a resilient community always wins over any disaster. In this episode, Jennifer sits with Nancy Brown, the Community Preparedness Program Manager of Sonoma County. Nancy talks about the role of the public sector in ensuring that their community is adequately prepared for a disaster and how to overcome the challenges that come with this unique assignment. Jennifer and Nancy also discuss strategies and checklists to help the community prepare for communication failures, make evacuation organized, and help the LatinX community. The more prepared we are, the more we can help each other move towards a better tomorrow. Don't miss out on expert advice and practical tips to help you get started on preparedness!
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Highlights:
02:27: Why be Prepared
05:48: Preparedness Challenges
11:24: Evacuation Checklist
15:46: Disaster Response and the LatinX Community
25:17: The Best Place to Make a Difference
32:48: How to Help Communities Post Disaster
37:54: The World of Disaster Response
45:44: Out of Control is the Norm of Disaster
49:22: How to: Self-Care in Disaster
52:21: Don't Forget Your Neighbors
SERIES: Role of Mass Media
"If we are in a position to be able to save lives, let's make sure we are adamantly prepared to do that." -Pat Kerrigan
Episode Description:
If you are sitting in a broadcasting studio with phones ringing non-stop, what would you do? KSRO News Director, Pat Kerrigan spent 24 days on-air delivering urgent news and serving the community in every way she can during the 2017 wildfire. The tension and surging needs are the most overwhelming during a disaster. Lives are in peril and everybody needs all the help they can get. So how can you serve your community in ways that are needed? In what instances can your community benefit from relationships made way before a disaster? What can the media learn about communication without competition? How can you use your skills to radiate trust and integrity? And finally, how can you make sure you are taking care of yourself as much as you do for others? Listen in as Jennifer and Pat answer these important questions with some helpful suggestions to improve communication systems, be prepared, and find balance as you play various roles. Be the presence in your life. Only then, will your presence in the community create the deepest impact.
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Highlights:
03:16: It Jumped the Highway!
08:29: When Phones Never Stopped
14:52: Questions to Ask Before a Disaster Strikes
10:00: The Work Begins
25:01: Take Care of Yourself
32:24: How Successful Relationships Work
38:08: Find Yourself Balance
44:12: Listen to Smart People
SERIES: Role of the Community Leader
"Don't expect to go through it yourself. People will want to help, ask for it. And then when you get through your disaster, pay it forward." -Margie Foster
Episode Description:
Discover how emergent leaders are made way before a disaster even strikes! This week, Jennifer and Margie Foster, one of Glen Ellen's emergent leaders teach how to step up for your community and be a vehicle for people to find their place after a disaster. Margie shares how her experience of a prior disaster helped her be an advocate for her community. She relates practical strategies, systems, and tools to promote community connection, get funding, and build resiliency. Everyone, even leaders themselves, goes through their own pain and loss. But when the spirit of community connection is at work, even the greatest of disasters will lose its power!
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Highlights:
02:22: It Begins with You
07:54: The Devastating Power of Fire
13:39: Disaster Notification Systems and Must-Haves
20:45: Help Find People Find A Home
25:35: Promoting Community Connection
35:44: The Post Disaster
39:50: Ask for Help
SERIES: Role of the Public Sector
"Resiliency defines this idea of not just being able to get hit and get back up, but … how we rise up and build better systems out of what we're dealing with and how we make sure that we own our place in the future." -James Gore
Episode Description:
Disasters breed emergent leaders. But what is the true essence of being a servant leader? How can leaders help the community navigate through trauma and advocate for equity? What organization strategies can be applied to ensure public safety and speed up progress? Lastly, how can each member help rebuild the lost momentum and work towards a more resilient community? Leaders are our partners and allies for transformation, but only when the community plays its part will true recovery be achieved. Tune in as Jennifer and Sonoma County Supervisor James Gore share how to be a public official that the community needs in the midst of a disaster. It's time to own our future, be a champion for change!
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Highlights:
04:32 What Resiliency Includes
11:04 Navigating Through Trauma
21:14 Break Down Barriers
30:06: From Heels to Spears to Peace
37:20: The Public Sector in Disasters
41:52: Advocating for Equity
50:01: Wake, Wake Others, Stay Woke
54:00: The Essene of True Leadership
59:16: Own Our Future
SERIES: Role of the Private Sector
"The determination of the neighborhood symbolize the character of the community that it got done." -Gerardo Castillo
Episode Description:
When disaster strikes, people thirst for guidance. Where does recovery even begin? This week, Jennifer interviews Gerardo Castillo, the Chief of Staff of AshBritt on the role private contractors play in a disaster. Gerardo describes the process and scope of work they do in helping communities before, during, and after a disaster. Find out some of the misconceptions about disaster response, the difference between disaster contracting and capitalism, and the benefits of training the local workforce. There will come disasters upon disasters. We can't stop them, but we can prepare to overcome them, as a family, as a community, as a nation. Listen in as Gerardo shares the Neighborhood Model for recovery and how it can help your community too!
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Highlights:
04:01: Facts and Fiction About Disaster Response
11:05: The Jurisdiction Question
18:09: Setting Up for Long Term Recovery
28:25: Building Neighborly Relationships
35:36: Help People Come Home
40:54: Disaster Capitalism vs Disaster Contracting
47:06: Your Role in the Clean-Up Process
51:56: The Future of Disasters
57:15: An Effective Recovery Model to Help Communities
1:03:49: Innovation in Disaster
SERIES: Role of the Community
Episode Description:
"You can't hurry a longer process that is thoughtful in strategy. It needs to be done the way that it's done." - Jenna Murray-Johnson
In times of disaster, the most effective leaders can emerge unexpectedly. How can someone build efficiency in a chaotic environment? In this episode, Jennifer interviews Jenna Murray Johnson, Co-Founder of Camp Fire Zone Captains on the role of zone captains in fostering recovery in rural areas. Based on her personal experience, Jenna shares ideas that can help other communities when faced with the same situation. The interview has a great impact in changing lives and changing the path of development on how a community recovers during and after a disaster. Tune in and find out how the love for the community solves problems and helps people unite.
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Highlights:
04:40: Five Minute Plan
09:14: Emergent Leaders: Natural Organizer And Leader
13:34: How To Zone Captain: Adaptability And Communication Platform
24:20: Encourage People To Rebuild: From Rebuilding to Community Building
29:01: Collaboration And Mobility: A Key To Success
33:03: Great Source Of Funding
38:32: Rebuilding And Recovery: Different For Each Person Or Family
"If there's no help coming, then you better act because what's lost is hope." -Mark Martin Bras
"That gives people hope to know that there's a plan, to know that there are other people they can count on during that time. And that leads to sustainability too." -Kelly Thompson
Episode Description:
Hurricane Maria, 2017- named "the worst natural disaster" and the "deadliest" in the history of Dominica, Saint Croix, and Puerto Rico. The island of Vieques was one of those who experienced this devastating nightmare. What can we learn from the way they engineered their way to recovery despite a lack of supplies, shortage of funds and manpower, power failure, unavailability of the internet, and isolated location? In this episode, Jennifer interviews Mark Martin Bras and Kelly Thompson from Viequeslove, a non-profit organization focused on helping the island of Vieques, Puerto Rico. Listen in as they share vital lessons about communication failures, advocating for your community, increasing resiliency, and building capacity. They also explain why sometimes, you need to say "No." to organizations extending help, and how to build regional equity. We all have a role to play in a disaster. As our guests say, "It's a world thing!"
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Highlights:
04:01: When The Power Fails on an Island
13:24: Build the Capacity
21:03: Bringing the Internet Into an Island
31:43: Handling Shelter Needs
37:48: How to Advocate Your Community
48:41: Encourage Sectors Ethical Participation
55:11: The Hard Side of Preparedness
01:02:50: Humanity at its Finest
"I couldn't keep up with myself. It was like my best problem I've ever had!" -Peter Alan
Episode Description:
What if somebody called you and said the thing you most dreaded to hear: "Everything's gone." Grief, disbelief, fear, uncertainty, and a mix of emotions you cannot identify are even worse than the fire itself. Yet, despite all that's happening, we can still make the world more beautiful! In this episode, we learn how art can be used in recovery as Jennifer speaks with Peter Alan, a Visual/conceptual mixed-media artist. Peter recalls his frightful flight as the mega-fires ravage everything around him and how he turned that nightmare into mesmerizing artworks. He also talks about how he was able to find beauty even in the darkness, build resiliency and grow, and use whatever skills you have to support each other. Listen in as Peter shares his secret to a faster recovery and facing adversities with optimism!
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Highlights:
02:54: Art in Profession
08:04: Non-Narrative Art
11:48: The Sweet Spot of Humanity
19:45: A Horror Movie in the Real-World
26:01: The Depth of Grief
32:59: The Art in the Ruins
40:53: The Role of the Artist
49:23: Make the More Beautiful
From the publisher's feed
How to Disaster is a podcast for people navigating the aftermath of disaster — and for the leaders, helpers, and decision-makers working to support…
Hosted by Jennifer Gray Thompson, CEO of After the Fire USA, the show makes disaster recovery clearer, more human, and less overwhelming. Each episode helps listeners understand what happens after the headlines fade: how recovery systems work, why decisions matter, what communities need, and how people find their way forward.
Through thoughtful conversations with survivors, practitioners, policymakers, storytellers, and community leaders, How to Disaster translates complex issues into grounded, accessible insight. Alongside Jennifer’s conversations, wildfire survivor, Kim Marshall, brings listeners closer to the lived reality of recovery through on-the-ground conversations with people impacted by disaster.
The show does not sensationalize crisis or debate climate politics. Instead, it offers clarity, context, and connection for people living through disaster and those trying to help.
If you are recovering, supporting someone who is, or trying to better understand how disaster reshapes lives and communities, this podcast is here to help you feel less alone and understand what comes next.