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What happens to an ecommerce business when paid ads stop working? Matt Edmundson walks through the six organic traffic fronts every founder should be building right now, before paid stops carrying the business on its own.
SummaryPaid ads are getting more expensive, less effective, and harder to justify. Facebook CPMs are up 60–90% over the last few years, paid search clicks have effectively doubled across every vertical, and organic clicks have fallen between 11 and 23 percentage points depending on the industry. Matt opens with the story of switching the ads off in his beauty business out of necessity, and watching sales hold because of an organic foundation that had been quietly compounding underneath. He then walks through the six organic fronts he thinks every Digital David needs to be working on in 2026, with one concrete action per front that can be done this week. Twice in the episode he stops to make it very clear he is not telling anyone to turn paid off — the point is to build organic now while paid is still doing some of the work.
[05:06]
Matt walks through the shape of the problem most founders are quietly carrying. Customer acquisition costs climbing, return on ad spend falling, and a treadmill that moves you from Google to Facebook back to Google to TikTok to whatever the marketing industry invents next. Around 8 out of 10 of the founders he speaks to right now have meaningful issues with paid media, and the businesses most exposed are the ones depending on first-time customer acquisition with low repeat rates.
“The marketing industry will keep inventing new places for you and me to spend our advertising budgets.” — Matt EdmundsonHe stops twice to make this clear, once at 15:48 and again at 16:42 — he is not telling anyone to turn paid off. If first-time customer acquisition is the lifeblood of the business and ads stop today, the founder will feel it by the end of the day if not the end of the hour. The point is that paid is still working at some level, and that makes now the right window to build the organic foundation underneath it.
The Six Fronts of Organic Traffic in 2026[23:47]
Matt argues that thinking of organic as just SEO is a 2018 mindset. In 2026 it sits across six channels, and most founders are only dabbling in one or two of them. Before he runs through them, he flags a warning — the same agency-promises-the-world problem that plagued SEO in 2018 is now happening with AI search, and most of the agencies charging premium fees for AI discovery don’t really know what they’re doing yet either.
[29:48]
Inside the AI discovery section Matt tells a story from 2006, when he launched his beauty business. They set the site live, planned to come back the next day to keep testing, and overnight Google indexed them and put them in front of a real customer called Mrs Smith — who placed the first order before the team had even told anyone the shop was open.
“I appreciate that doesn’t really happen anymore.” — Matt EdmundsonThe point of telling it now is that AI feels like that early-Google moment all over again. There’s no rulebook everyone is following, the ones who get in early are the ones who get discovered, and a handful of his own businesses are already getting leads who say “ChatGPT told me about you.”
SAM, the Slingshot AI Mentor[03:04] [1:05:00]
For the first time on EP, Matt openly opens the episode with a sponsor — his own company. SAM stands for Slingshot AI Mentor, the e-commerce layer Aurion has been running on Claude internally and is now opening up to the public. It’s Claude plus a focused e-commerce knowledge layer plus the context of the founder’s own business. Inside SAM lives Scout, the skill that runs the same six-front audit covered in this episode automatically across a site and hands back a playbook of specific changes. SAM membership is currently $2,000 (about £1,600) on a waitlist with personal onboarding from Matt. Anyone who joins the waitlist by Thursday 22 May 2026 gets a 25% discount code plus extra credit for Scout. Available at ecommercepodcast.net/slingshot.
Why a Free Customer Changes the LTV to CAC Maths[1:11:10]
The point of building organic isn’t to abandon paid. It’s to change the underlying maths of the business. A customer who finds the brand organically has, in effect, a CAC of zero. Organic isn’t actually free — it costs time and staff — but it costs differently, and it compounds.
“Organic isn’t actually free. It just costs differently.” — Matt EdmundsonPaid media CAC across ecommerce is currently running about 2.5 times higher than blended CAC. Drop ten organic customers into the LTV to CAC ratio, then a hundred over a year, and the shape of the business changes — not because more customers are being acquired, but because the average cost of acquiring them falls.
Free Resource Mentioned in This EpisodeMatt has put everything in this episode into a free printable PDF — the Organic Audit Kit. It includes the full checklist for each of the six fronts, 18 AI prompts (one to audit, one to fix, one to verify per area) that paste straight into Claude or ChatGPT, a scoring radar to see strengths and weaknesses at a glance, a 20-minute quick win for each front, and a glossary for the technical terms. Grab it at ecommercepodcast.net under Resources.
About Today's EpisodeHost: Matt Edmundson
Company: Aurion
Website: aurioncompany.com
LinkedIn: Connect with Matt on LinkedIn
Episode link: https://www.ecommerce-podcast.com/how-to-get-organic-traffic-for-ecommerce
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What happens to an ecommerce business when paid ads stop working? Matt Edmundson walks through the six organic traffic fronts every founder should be building right now, before paid stops carrying the business on its own.
SummaryPaid ads are getting more expensive, less effective, and harder to justify. Facebook CPMs are up 60–90% over the last few years, paid search clicks have effectively doubled across every vertical, and organic clicks have fallen between 11 and 23 percentage points depending on the industry. Matt opens with the story of switching the ads off in his beauty business out of necessity, and watching sales hold because of an organic foundation that had been quietly compounding underneath. He then walks through the six organic fronts he thinks every Digital David needs to be working on in 2026, with one concrete action per front that can be done this week. Twice in the episode he stops to make it very clear he is not telling anyone to turn paid off — the point is to build organic now while paid is still doing some of the work.
[05:06]
Matt walks through the shape of the problem most founders are quietly carrying. Customer acquisition costs climbing, return on ad spend falling, and a treadmill that moves you from Google to Facebook back to Google to TikTok to whatever the marketing industry invents next. Around 8 out of 10 of the founders he speaks to right now have meaningful issues with paid media, and the businesses most exposed are the ones depending on first-time customer acquisition with low repeat rates.
“The marketing industry will keep inventing new places for you and me to spend our advertising budgets.” — Matt EdmundsonHe stops twice to make this clear, once at 15:48 and again at 16:42 — he is not telling anyone to turn paid off. If first-time customer acquisition is the lifeblood of the business and ads stop today, the founder will feel it by the end of the day if not the end of the hour. The point is that paid is still working at some level, and that makes now the right window to build the organic foundation underneath it.
The Six Fronts of Organic Traffic in 2026[23:47]
Matt argues that thinking of organic as just SEO is a 2018 mindset. In 2026 it sits across six channels, and most founders are only dabbling in one or two of them. Before he runs through them, he flags a warning — the same agency-promises-the-world problem that plagued SEO in 2018 is now happening with AI search, and most of the agencies charging premium fees for AI discovery don’t really know what they’re doing yet either.
[29:48]
Inside the AI discovery section Matt tells a story from 2006, when he launched his beauty business. They set the site live, planned to come back the next day to keep testing, and overnight Google indexed them and put them in front of a real customer called Mrs Smith — who placed the first order before the team had even told anyone the shop was open.
“I appreciate that doesn’t really happen anymore.” — Matt EdmundsonThe point of telling it now is that AI feels like that early-Google moment all over again. There’s no rulebook everyone is following, the ones who get in early are the ones who get discovered, and a handful of his own businesses are already getting leads who say “ChatGPT told me about you.”
SAM, the Slingshot AI Mentor[03:04] [1:05:00]
For the first time on EP, Matt openly opens the episode with a sponsor — his own company. SAM stands for Slingshot AI Mentor, the e-commerce layer Aurion has been running on Claude internally and is now opening up to the public. It’s Claude plus a focused e-commerce knowledge layer plus the context of the founder’s own business. Inside SAM lives Scout, the skill that runs the same six-front audit covered in this episode automatically across a site and hands back a playbook of specific changes. SAM membership is currently $2,000 (about £1,600) on a waitlist with personal onboarding from Matt. Anyone who joins the waitlist by Thursday 22 May 2026 gets a 25% discount code plus extra credit for Scout. Available at ecommercepodcast.net/slingshot.
Why a Free Customer Changes the LTV to CAC Maths[1:11:10]
The point of building organic isn’t to abandon paid. It’s to change the underlying maths of the business. A customer who finds the brand organically has, in effect, a CAC of zero. Organic isn’t actually free — it costs time and staff — but it costs differently, and it compounds.
“Organic isn’t actually free. It just costs differently.” — Matt EdmundsonPaid media CAC across ecommerce is currently running about 2.5 times higher than blended CAC. Drop ten organic customers into the LTV to CAC ratio, then a hundred over a year, and the shape of the business changes — not because more customers are being acquired, but because the average cost of acquiring them falls.
Free Resource Mentioned in This EpisodeMatt has put everything in this episode into a free printable PDF — the Organic Audit Kit. It includes the full checklist for each of the six fronts, 18 AI prompts (one to audit, one to fix, one to verify per area) that paste straight into Claude or ChatGPT, a scoring radar to see strengths and weaknesses at a glance, a 20-minute quick win for each front, and a glossary for the technical terms. Grab it at ecommercepodcast.net under Resources.
About Today's EpisodeHost: Matt Edmundson
Company: Aurion
Website: aurioncompany.com
LinkedIn: Connect with Matt on LinkedIn
Episode link: https://www.ecommerce-podcast.com/how-to-get-organic-traffic-for-ecommerce

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