In this insightful episode, host Kim Gross engages in a profound conversation with Dr. Margaret Rutherford, a seasoned psychologist, TEDx speaker, and author of 'Perfectly Hidden Depression.' They delve into understanding what perfectly hidden depression entails, the characteristics of individuals who struggle with perfectionism and hidden depression, and the impact of such issues. Dr. Rutherford shares her journey of coining the term and writing about it, the response she received, and the importance of addressing the root causes of this syndrome. The episode ends with practical advice for listeners who might identify with these traits and need help.

About Dr. Margaret: 

Margaret Robinson Rutherford Ph.D., a clinical

psychologist with thirty years of experience, is also an

author, TedX speaker, and podcast host. Her book,

Perfectly Hidden Depression: How to Break Free from the

Perfectionism That Masks Your Depression, has reached

thousands here in the US and abroad.

Years of treating patients with depression have taught

me that there's a widely overlooked, frequently

misdiagnosed, and potentially deadly presentation of this

disorder. I've termed it "perfectly hidden depression"

and have been teaching and speaking about it since

researching and publishing a book by the same name in

2019. I've given virtual and live seminars to diverse

organizations, CE presentations to mental and medical

health professionals, with the most recent and exciting

opportunity to be a TEDxBocaRaton speaker.

Book has been translated into Dutch, Korean, Polish,

Vietnamese, Turkish, & Czech, German, and Italian.

Contact Dr. Margaret:

Email: [email protected]

Website: www.drmargaretrutherford.com

Podcast; Self Work Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-selfwork-podcast/id1166015598

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