Josh Gondelman and guest host Ian Chillag open the Pillow Fort with a heroic hiccup cure and wander into the weird little magic of making art.

What You’ll Hear
The Hiccup Whisperer: Ian reveals the guided meditation he uses to cure hiccups.

Make It Weirder: Josh and Ian talk about why the strangest details are often the most human ones, from ghost hands to thunder descriptions to the joy of letting art be specific.

Little Miracles of Art: The conversation turns to books, plays, pilots, and shows that somehow made it into the world exactly as themselves. A gentle salute to all the odd, wonderful ideas that survived the notes process.

CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro & welcoming Ian
01:00 Ian’s hiccup-curing reputation
02:02 The guided hiccup meditation
04:14 How Ian learned the method
05:13 The most specific X-Men power
06:40 Big Hiccup and the cause of hiccups
07:06 What kind of hand did you picture?
08:38 Weirdness as individuality
11:27 On the Calculation of Volume
13:56 Chasing the next big TV trend
15:42 Ghosts of unmade ideas
16:00 Dead Pilots Society
17:08 Art worth leaving the house for
18:20 Oh Mary and the virtue of fun
20:13 No research, better characters
21:36 Goodnights

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