Hiking has been all the rage lately. But its popularity also reveals uncomfortable truths about who gets to belong in the great outdoors.

This episode, Cristen and Caroline cross paths with geographer Carolyn Finney and Outdoor Journal Tour founders Kenya and Michelle Jackson-Saulters to map out the duality of America's hiking trails as sites of racial pain as well as Black joy and healing.

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