On today's episode, climate activist and founder of the non-profit Force of Nature, Clover Hogan, details list of challenges activists face both from outside and within their movements.

Not only do environmental activists face growing legal and physical threats across the globe, they are also vulnerable to burnout, exhaustion, and ridicule as they navigate a host of other social challenges while doing this work that is poorly compensated.

Hogan speaks with co-host Mike DiGirolamo about these challenges and the way forward for more inclusive movements while navigating the noise:

"It's no accident that we spend so much of our time thinking about our individual lifestyles and not thinking about how [to] actually hold these systems accountable," she says.

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Image credit: Clover Hogan speaking in Paris, France. Photo courtesy of Clover Hogan.

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Timecodes

(00:00) Introduction

(02:10) Force of Nature

(05:36) The challenges activists face

(08:52) The myth of 'perfection'

(16:50) Hostile environments

(25:59) The most surprising 'confessions' of a climate activist

(32:51) Throwing soup on paintings: helpful or harmful?

(39:49) 'Hope' is a verb

(43:53) Climate activism is an intersectional movement