On episode 51 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together again to discuss what will be appropriate to wear to the office in the future, Whole Foods’ company culture, and the new jobs sprung by the pandemic, including "Head of Remote." 

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:00 - The triple Timmy touch is out to play today!

4:45 - Are we going to expect our employees post-pandemic to return to formal workwear? Tim thinks that more formal dress will come back naturally. 

8:30 - Tim thinks that his outfits are all about the shoes. He’s also anti-tights in the office for all people.

11:00 - KD thinks that what is office appropriate also depends on what people can afford. Oftentimes we approve of the higher end leisurewear but not the cheaper versions of the same product. 

13:15 - Whole Foods was brought into court recently for reprimanding employees that wore face masks with Black Lives Matter logos on them. 

14:30 - Tim thinks that Whole Foods will come to the conclusion that they need to give everyone the same face mask for uniformity. He sees this as a customer service issue since customers need to be able to quickly and easily identify employees in the store.

17:30 - JLee brings up how Whole Foods has always had a strong people-centric culture and she thinks this is a shift for them as a culture perspective. The company has grown and is now a part of Amazon and they’re not as small as they once were. 

19:30 - KD mentions that the Whole Foods near him in Birmingham is close to the Amazon distribution center that is currently voting on if they want to bring in a union. 

22:00 - Do you feel guilty using Amazon’s one day shipping? KD feels some guilt but JLee doesn’t feel any. 

23:45 - Does your family have a shared Amazon Prime account? Tim’s family shares an Amazon account and he finds himself accidentally purchasing stuff that his kids put in the cart.

27:00 - JLee recently saw a job title that read “Head of Remote”. She asks Tim and KD what they think the responsibilities of this job are. 

30:15 - KD thinks this position sounds like a Senior Director of HR. The crew thinks it probably reports up to a CHRO. 

31:30 - KD tells the tale of the flavored water machine in his office that arrived right before the pandemic hit. They machine displays the environmental impact and sadly they haven’t saved many trees since no one has been using it!

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

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Kinetix

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

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On episode 50 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together once again to discuss  Netflix’s 2021 inclusion report, facial recognition software in viewing interviewing, and the scam psychic that’s terrorizing JLee’s neighborhood! 

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:20 - Do you know where the DMV area is? That’s where JLee says she is from when asked.

3:00. - Jlee has a scam psychic in her neighborhood and everyone is activating their Ring doorbell to find out who it is. Discussion of psychics naturally follows.

6:30 - KD asks Tim how frustrated he gets when people in his inner circle don’t share his passion for his favorite streaming shows/movies. The gang agrees there should be codes where you can force someone to watch a show a limited number of times per year.

10:00 - Netflix released their first ever inclusion report in mid-January. KD addresses it as a master stroke in communication and controlling the narrative in HR Comms. They announced that women make up half of their workforce, even in leadership and executive roles. 

12:00 - JLee thinks Netflix is doing good work in the DEI space. She cites a webinar they hosted about being black in HR and how it felt authentic and not too sales-y. 

14:30 - Tim says that demographic data are very important in controlling the narrative they want to spin. 

18:20 - Tim poses the question “do we know that Netflix is good for women”? He doesn’t think they are a tech company so the numbers could be low for the entertainment/media industry. 

21:00 - KD brings up how they led with their best numbers when discussing their numbers on race and ethnicity that came later in the report.  He allows notes that the data they did provide in charts is hard to follow compared with the numerical data in tabs that companies like Google provided.

26:00 - KD asks JLee how she feels about the accuracy of facial recognition. She gets annoyed when her phone doesn’t recognize her face in the morning sometimes. 

27:30 - HireVue just discontinued facial recognition as a sorting feature in video interviewing. They felt that this feature could help give a better pool of candidates than without but it started to raise some issues - namely the world crushing people for features like this without apology.

31:00 - Tim thinks the technology worked too well and that scared away many companies. There were just some concerns that the facial recognition software would raise some physical attribute related issues. KD wonders aloud how well the tech actually worked, and a discussion of whether facial tics and frowns was a knockout feature or note ensues.

34:00 - Did you love the button at the bottom of old iPhone models? Tim misses his button on his newer iPhone.

RESOURCES AND SHOW NOTES:

Netflix Inclusion Report

Hirevue discontinues Facial Recognition

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

Kinetix

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

HRU Tech

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Boss Leadership Training Series

On episode 49 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together once again to discuss the importance of reference checks and a $15 minimum wage.

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

2:00 - Tim recently discovered that some millennial marketers didn’t know who Gary V was. Do the millennials and Gen-Z of your life know Gary V?

5:45 - Tim posted a blog post last week titled “You’re an Idiot If You Still Check References!” that got a lot of comments. He thinks it’s a huge waste of time because the references won’t say anything negative about the candidate (typically). 

8:45 - JLee’s issue with reference checks is that they’re just not being done well and with the care and effort they need.

10:00 - KD agrees with JLee and thinks that reference checkers need to be set up to find negative information from the references. Otherwise, they’re not doing their job.

12:00 - Tim wants to ask the question to hiring managers ``when was the last time you rescind an offer based off of a bad reference check?” He says that it never happens

15:00 - KD thinks that the issue isn’t as big as Tim is making it. He thinks the issue isn’t the practice but how the practice is being done. 

17:00 - JLee thinks it’s important that the right person is asking the questions in a reference check instead of someone that isn’t trained in the practice. 

20:00 - Tim still thinks that no one is taking the time to actually do this the right way. He thinks that if we’re not going to do it right, why do it at all.

22:30 - It’s Tim vs. KD/JLee in this fight!  KD asks Tim if he makes calls to check out someone before hiring them. Tim avoids the question.

23:00 - Next topic of the episode: President Biden put an executive order in place to pave the way to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour.

24:45 - KD thinks that they most are fans of a living wage but that means different amounts in different regions of the country. 

26:00 - Tim thinks this isn’t a political issue but it’s been co-opted as a political issue because of the research that has come out on both sides of an issue. 

28:30 - KD notes that most companies with primarily professional class workforces don’t have an issue with a $15 minimum wage. He also notes that people aren’t thinking about compression within the job market as much as they need to when being OK with a big increase in the minimum wage.

31:45 - JLee mentions her experience working at McDonald’s and how some older people worked there to support families but she was only doing it as a part time gig in high school. 

On episode 48 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together once again to discuss having to go to the bathroom during a video call, fake commute routines, and what to do for a one year WFH anniversary!

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

3:20 - JLee tells the crew that her sister was born in MI, where Tim lives.  She can’t remember where in the state she was born so we’re going to need an update on that!

5:45 - JLee brings up the Air Force Ones appearance at the Inauguration a few weeks ago. Tim says that those shoes went for $5,000 on StockX!

6:30 - First topic of the episode: you’re on a Zoom call and you have to go to the bathroom. What are you supposed to do? 

7:30 - KD thinks best practices are having all cameras on but that complicates the bathroom issue.

10:00 - JLee sometimes gets ready for the day in the bathroom while on a video call. Can you hear the echo from people that get ready in the bathroom?

12:00 - Are you experiencing Zoom fatigue? Tim thinks it’s BS because there are just as many calls as before but some were not video. KD thinks that the number of video calls has declined since the earlier days of the pandemic. 

13:30 - JLee mentions the rise of “fake commutes”. She misses the transition she used to get from being a parent to work life throughout the morning. 

16:00 - KD spends his “commute” time sleeping in instead of trying to recreate his work commute.

19:00 - Second topic: Silkroad Technology conducted a survey among office workers and executives and found ⅖ office workers plan to resign because of how their companies handled the pandemic.

22:00 - KD thinks Silkroad is the Dark Web. Tim and JLee don’t know how to access the Dark Web and we want help! Tim and JLee are interested ;)

23:00 - KD recommends reading the book American Kingpin by Nick Bilton about the creation of the Dark Web!

24:45 - KD and Tim are a little confused by the 40% of people who want to quit their jobs because they can’t think of that many companies that have really fumbled a COVID response.

28:00 - JLee thinks there needs to be some humility and grace for those trying to handle ‘unprecedented’ times.

31:00 - It’s coming up soon that we’ve been working virtually for a year. An employee on JLee’s team mentioned celebrating the one year anniversary and maybe getting a WFH gift for their teammates. JLee asked Tim and KD what ideas they have for a WFH gift.

36:00 - JLee’s brother-in-law went through a Gary V rabbit hole and found that he is bringing value to old sports cards. 

On episode 47 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together to discuss Peloton, the top qualities people are looking for in a candidate, and PTO bank build ups during the COVID-era. 

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:30 - JLee is doing fantastic on this episode because Sex in the City is getting a reboot!

2:45 - JLee’s husband ordered balloons to celebrate her 100th Peloton ride and she told him the wrong day! It was only her 100th workout (not ride). 

3:30 - Tim has discovered that people are gaming their ride numbers on Peloton by doing more short rides instead of the longer rides. 

4:20 - First topic: Tim got an email from a PR firm advertising the “Top 10 most important qualities in a candidate”. This is a recent study from 2021. What do you think the top quality is?

5:30 - KD’s top quality he looks for is “kicking a**”. What’s the top quality you look for?

7:30 - JLee looks for good listeners as one of her top candidates in a new hire. She thinks one BS thing from the list is ‘sincerity’. She doesn’t really understand what it means. 

9:00 - #gsd.  Look it up.

9:45 - Gary V messaged JLee for mentioning him on the show. We’re ready for you to come on the pod Gary!

12:00 - Tim was on a CHRO digital forum recently and heard discussion from a panelist that a company found their PTO banks were rising astronomically. This not only became a people management issue but a financial issue for the company. Tim thinks that this is BS because people are just taking time off because of increased flexibility instead of taking PTO.

15:00 - JLee says that she’s saving her PTO for when she can take a real vacation and travel again. 

16:00 - KD thinks that the concern is BS and agrees with Tim. He thinks a major reason for this is the huge increase in downtime in 2020. 

18:00 - There is a concern that once the world has returned to some normalcy, that everyone will take their PTO and there will be no one working. JLee discusses some strategies that could be used to combat this issue, like cashing out PTO days. 

21:30 - Also on the CHRO digital forum, Tim learned that companies are saying they need to take and send data to hiring managers each month rather than quarterly or yearly. 

23:20 - Another finding from the forum is a PTO charity bank, where people can donate their PTO to help hourly workers who do not qualify. 

29:00 - Last topic: favorite TV/movie the crew has watched recently. JLee loved Bridgerton and KD hasn’t really been watching too much.

On episode 46 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee  come together to discuss the art and concept of marrying up, use John Krasinksi and Emily Blunt as their case study, then pivot to something more serious and talk about the use of Professional Conduct Policies by HR Leaders in crazy times.

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:30 - Two topics on the pod today (but KD is more excited about one than the other!)

3:00 - First topic of the week: marrying up! KD was wondering in the text channel with JLee and Tim if actor John Krasinksi of The Office fame married up when he married actress Emily Blunt (The Devil Wears Prada, Mary Poppins Returns, The Girl on the Train).  It rose the level of a pod topic, so they discuss the art of marrying up across partners.

4:30 - JLee thinks Krasinksi definitely married up. She also thinks that her own husband married up but she also thinks she married up because of her low credit score!

5:45 - KD asks JLee to numerically rate Blunt and Krasinski. She thinks Blunt is around an 8.5 and Krasninski is in the 6.5-7 range. He’s not hot enough for JLee!

8:00 - Tim’s initial reaction is that every man marries up, but he realizes there may be some gold diggers out there that will marry down for money. 

9:30 - KD asks JLee and Tim to now rate Krasinski and Jenna Fischer’s characters from The Office. They both think it’s a pretty even match. 

10:00 - First rule of a happy (heterosexual) marriage: the man has to say he married up. 

11:30 - KD asks JLee if a woman could ever say she married down. She says no, but you can say that your spouse married up. 

14:00 - Check out the Best Hire Ever episode featuring JLee to hear about her familial experience! 

16:00 - Next topic of the day: KD and Tim were both quoted in the HR Executive about how to handle employees that partake in outside events that polarize them to some teammates at their company.

18:00 - Tim thinks in order to create a workforce that has diversity of thought, you have to allow your employees to partake in events that express that thought. However, if it crosses the line into illegal activity, that’s when action must be taken. 

21:00 - JLee ponders if it matters what role a person holds in a company when it comes to events like the insurrection on the Capitol. 

22:00 - JLee brings up the term ‘doxing’ which refers to outing someone for something they did on social media. She thinks this new practice brings some complexity to this issue.

24:00 - KD thinks that companies and HR leaders must have a strong professional conduct policy to give them the flexibility they need in all scenarios. 

26:15 - Business Insider released an article of their premium service about a Github Jewish employee that warned their co-workers in the company messaging channels about Nazis being out in the DC metro area. A few days later, the employee was terminated.  While that may seem extreme to some, the team discusses the fact that we don't know the whole situation, and by the way - that's where a great HR leader comes in - to display judgement.

In episode 45 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett and Jessica Lee are joined by special guest Laurie Ruettimann to discuss her new book (out 1/12/21, click to view) called Betting On You.

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

2:00 - Tim opens up the episode with a discussion about pronouns prompted by this tweet. JLee mentions that they/them can feel like the only option for some people and so she understands why some people would want pronouns that are unique to someone. 

5:30 - Tim welcomes on today’s guest, Laurie Ruettimann! She is a longtime friend of the pod and we are happy to have her on today’s episode!

7:45 - Laurie has a new book coming out soon called Betting On You. She says that she wrote the book because she felt stagnant in her HR roles and wanted to create the book that she would have wanted in this phase of her life. 

9:30 - Laurie mentions the phenomenon that HR employees tend to forget their employees too and they need to trust themselves and the issues that they see.

11:00 - JLee asks Laurie what she thinks makes her book stand out from others. She says that she just wants to tell stories and her experience. She doesn’t claim to be an expert but she wants to relay messages she’s learned from her work experiences. 

12:00 - The crew takes a quick sidebar to talk about their favorite Peloton instructors (Team Dennis or Team Cody?).

14:00 - Laurie mentions that many different movements of this past year have caused a lot of self-reflection about our lives and our morals and how this themes of her book follow along with this journey.

17:30 - Tim asks JLee if she thinks there will be a reckoning for more traditional white collar environments post-pandemic. She thinks that the traditional way cannot keep going on in the way that it has for a long time. 

22:00 - JLee thinks that people forget how much choice they have. Not only do they choose to work somewhere but they choose to go into work everyday. Laurie thinks that embracing that perspective as an HR professional can change how systems work. 

24:20 - Laurie brings up the fact that FBI agents are taught to detach themselves from their work and that they have an identity outside of your job. 

26:50 - Tim asks Laurie about things they can do to combat burnout. She says one of her favorites is that your personal life should go on your professional calendar first. She thinks so many of us are victims to the Outlook calendar. 

29:30 - Tim heard a story about how your life is juggling 5 balls. The ball for your job is rubber but the other 4 are glass. You can rebound from dropping the job ball but the glass balls will cause real damage. 

32:00 - Laurie’s new book is available for pre-order at bettingonyoubook.com and available for purchase on January 12! Also check out her podcast, Punk Rock HR! Thank you to Laurie for joining us for this episode! 

Order the book here!

In episode 44 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together in the new year to discuss Gary V requesting to connect with Jessica on LinkedIn, the CHRO move of the week, and Google calling their employees back into the office (eventually). 

Listen below (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

SHOW HIGHLIGHTS

1:30 - Happy New Year! Tim is thinking (and hoping) that 2021 is going to be a great year. JLee is looking forward to drive-through vaccinations. 

2:45 - JLee got a LinkedIn request from Gary Vaynerchuk. Tim is extremely jealous (he’s a super fan) and JLee is very confused on how she got this. 

6:00 - The gang wonders aloud how many people send invites out on Gary V's behalf. Tim thinks that JLee needs to leverage her brand and her title to get Gary V on the phone in 2021. 

9:00 - Time for the CHRO move of the week! UPS announced a new CHRO Darrell Ford after their old CHRO (Charlene Thomas moved to a new role at the company). 

10:30 - KD thinks Thomas got a demotion. 

12:30 - Tim thinks that Thomas was potentially underperforming so they brought in a new one to try out in the head HR position. 

15:30 - Tim also wonders that they are potentially setting up Charlene Thomas to take over a COO or a CEO role eventually at UPS. 

17:20 - In KD’s youth, the UPS driver was a person of note in his life. KD thinks it’s a transactional job now because there are so many drivers and people aren’t making a lifetime career out of being a driver.

21:00 - JLee thinks that KD would be a shorts only UPS type of driver. No brown pants in sight!

22:30 - Next topic of the day: Google’s CEO announced that they will continue being remote but they will be returning back to the offices eventually and will not be remote forever. The announcement said that employees should eventually return to a place that is in a commutable distance from their office. 

25:00 - KD thinks this is the revert back from the earlier pandemic announcements of full time, forever remote transitions.

30:45 - KD also thinks that Google is trying to prevent a mass exodus from California to places like Texas, as companies like Tesla are moving there. 

32:00 - JLee is coming up on her 100th Peloton ride and she found out that her husband ordered 100 balloons on their shared Amazon account to celebrate.

RESOURCES AND SHOW NOTES:

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

HRU Tech

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Kinetix

Boss Leadership Training Series

In episode 43 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together to discuss Christmas shopping, the term ‘Dr.’ in corporate America, and HR Christmas horror stories.

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

Show Highlights:

2:00 - Have you finished your Christmas shopping yet? The Lee and Sackett family are done with their completely online Christmas shopping and KD had to ask his kids to get gifts for Mrs. Dunn.

4:30 - For those of you lucky enough to get the Sackett family Christmas card/letter, Mrs. Sackett is a big fan of throw pillows (as is Mrs. Dunn). 

5:45 - First topic of the day: use of the term ‘doctor’. On December 11, the Wall Street Journal dropped an opinion article being critical of soon-to-be First Lady Dr. Jill Biden’s usage of the term. 

7:30 - KD has always been skeptical of the use of “Dr.” in corporate America, away from education. Tim has understood the opinion of the article from a recruiter/corporate standpoint as well. However, he understands it applies differently in other industries/academia where it may be more relevant or acceptable.

10:00 - Tim reached out to seven different people he knows who have a doctorate, including MDs, EDDs, and PhDs. Six out of the seven of these people said that they harp on each other about the merit of their degree behind closed doors, but in a professional setting, they’d be expected to be called Dr. 

13:00 - JLee is married to a PharmD and in writing, her husband includes his doctorate title. JLee thinks that in writing, being called ‘Dr.’ is justified and totally acceptable but it may be weird to refer to someone in person as ‘Dr’.  KD clarifies that JLee's husband is including letters behind his name, not the Dr. title in front, which JLee confirms.

16:00 - Tim thinks that if Dr. Biden and Joe Biden had switched roles, Joe wouldn’t have had an article like this written about him.

21:00 - KD asks Tim if the term ‘Dr.’ on a resume would throw him off and he said that it only bothers him if someone in an interview were to ask to be referred in that way. 

27:00 -  KD likes it when people combine ‘Dr.’ with a funny first name like his friend ‘Dr. Chuck’.

28:40 - KD asks the crew if they have any dysfunctional workplace Christmas stories. KD tells the favorite from his career about a dysfunctional boss that made him make a "this offer expires at the end of the day" to a VP-level candidate on Christmas Eve, JLee tells a story about how her first HR job required her to be the event planner and she wasn’t 21 yet so she had to plan events with alcohol without being able to drink.

30:00 - Tim had an employee’s wife complain over email to him about the company gift. 

RESOURCES AND SHOW NOTES:

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

HRU Tech

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Kinetix

Boss Leadership Training Series

In Episode 42 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends)  Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together to discuss TikTokers getting fired from their jobs at Sherwin Williams, the new Microsoft productivity score, and how much they spend on gifts for their siblings during the holidays. 

Listen (click this link if you don’t see the player) and be sure to subscribe, rate, and review (Apple Podcasts) and follow (Spotify)!

Show Highlights:

1:30 - Tim opens the pod by asking the crew what their favorite side dishes are for the holiday season. JLee is a stuffing fan, KD likes the good mashed potatoes, and Tim likes them all!

3:45 - First topic of the day: TikTok videos taking over work! Popular TikToker Tony Piloseno, who got famous for his videos of mixing paint, got fired from his job at Sherwin Williams and social media went ablaze. 

6:00 - Tim says that he knows exactly where a regional HR manager knows where this is coming from from his experience as a lower level HR leader during his career. 

7:00 - JLee doesn’t understand why there wasn’t an investigation into what was happening and what the repercussions could be for firing Piloseno. 

10:00 - KD goes through all of the calls that an HR manager might get from a Sherwin Williams manager. 

11:10 - JLee mentions how he was very passionate about his job and how she feels like there was oversight in his firing. 

13:00 - Second topic of the day: Microsoft released the Microsoft Productivity Score which allows IT and other product development managers to monitor how their products are being used. Tim raises the question “was this type of software inevitable?”

15:00 - JLee isn’t very concerned about her personal privacy because she doesn’t have anything to hide. However, she does see that there might be some value to this product.

16:30 - KD is more interested in the productivity score of their managers - a collective score for how teams are doing and the effectiveness of a manager -  instead of using it as a “gotcha” tool for individuals. 

20:00 - Any mouse movers to make it seem like you’re online? 

21:00 - Tim met with the team at Microsoft that put this together and he thinks their intentions are good but the product in bad people’s hands can be an issue. 

23:00 - Final question: what do you send on your siblings for the holidays? JLee’s family doesn’t do presents for the adults anymore. Tim’s does the same because they were over exchanging gift cards. KD just buys his siblings a book (so only $20). 

24:00 - Tim hates getting gifts but loves getting gifts especially for his younger brother.

RESOURCES AND SHOW NOTES:

---------------Jessica Lee, Kris Dunn and Tim Sackett

Jessica Lee on LinkedIn

Tim Sackett on Linkedin

Kris Dunn on LinkedIn

HRU Tech

The Tim Sackett Project

The HR Capitalist

Fistful of Talent

Kinetix

Boss Leadership Training Series