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On episode 76 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn  come together to discuss back to school season, Google’s new internal calculator for pay cuts, and secretly working 2 remote jobs. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:30 - It’s back to school season! JLee is feeling ready for the season after getting back from a vacation to Turks & Caicos. Her kids are going to be in person at school all day.

3:45 - Tim’s last child is a senior in high school and they are ready for him to get out of the house. His wife doesn’t know how she’s going to make it through the year…

5:30 - In a shout out to "no one really knows anything", KD mentions a report from the UAB that said 40% of a state is going to get COVID between July and September because of the Delta variant. The majority will show no symptoms. Is that bad?  No one really knows.  Songs from the band Chicago are cited.

9:30 - Google’s rolled out a new internal calculator explaining potential pay cuts to employees who choose to work remotely and people are getting penalized. Reuters reported on screenshots of this calculator.

12:00 - JLee gives Google a thumbs up for being a leader on the forefront of salary changing by location.

14:00 - Tim discusses the thought process that this is built on: I should get paid the same regardless of where I live. The reality is that every market substantiates different pay levels. 

17:45 - JLee mentions that this decision is a hard one to make and someone has to be the leader on this forefront. She also mentions that there’s definitely room to change if there’s backlash. 

22:45 - Are people taking on second jobs while they work from home? There’s a book coming out from an individual about their story working two remote jobs. Check out more at their website. They came out with 12 rules about working two remote jobs, top of the list being “don’t talk about your other job”. 

26:50 - One of their rules is “be average”. JLee says that this is when it falls apart. She says to kick butt at job #1 and work your way up there, instead of being average at 2 different jobs. 

29:00 - KD asks the crew what percentage of adults work 2 jobs. JLee says 10% and Tim and KD say 1%. 

30:30 - Tim had this happen to him with a contractor who was working 2 jobs. 

34:30 - Tim thinks that people are too afraid of retaliation/being found out so he’s sticking with his 1% guess of people that work more than 1 job remotely.

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On episode 75 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leader Tim Sackett is joined by special guest Joss Leufrancois to discuss all things Visage, what ROI Tim has gotten by using Visage at his company, and how companies can quickly improve their hiring abilities. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

1:00 - We have a fun guest on the podcast today! Please welcome to your ears Joss Leufrancois from Visage

4:00 - Tim notes how it’s hard for a recruiter to be good at sourcing since they often have to go and seek that training and knowledge on their own. 

5:30 - Joss mentions how at Visage they don’t believe that AI will solve everything and how we need people to deal with the ambiguity in job postings.

7:30 -  Tim praises Visage for helping his employees to do less work with a new piece of technology. 

9:15 - Tim found that he got a 6 to 1 ROI while using Visage.

14:30 - Tim asks Joss what he is seeing with this mass influx of hiring in almost all markets. He says that companies are changing what they require out of candidates and he doesn’t know if the market will stabilize any time soon in the next 15-24 months.

17:30 - Tim says that there are simply not enough workers to fill all of the open jobs that exist for the next few years. 

19:30 - Tim mentions how most people want to go have some experience in the office but they still want the flexibility to work remotely when it’s convenient for them.

22:30 - Final question: what can organizations do to improve quickly? Joss says that choosing a concrete long-term plan of remote vs. in person work and making it well known will help be more transparent to candidates.

24:30 - Tim has his new recruiters work in the office full time until they are comfortable enough and proficient enough to start working remotely. 

26:15 - You can find Joss at Visage’s website or on his LinkedIn! Check him out.

On episode 74 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss fears of employee communication monitoring, how much bosses are really monitoring their employees, and LinkedIn’s latest announcement on their plan for remote work. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

3:00 - Tim mentions a county in Michigan that is offering new residents $15,000 to move there and buy property. He asks the crew how much money they would move for. 

6:00 - Jessica mentions a program in Italy right now where they’re selling properties for dirt cheap in hopes that people will come and revitalize and invest in small Italian towns. 

8:30 - Tim asks the crew if they’ve ever been nervous that a boss was monitoring their communication. JLee says that only when she’s said something bad about that boss. 

10:30 - JLee asks Tim and KD if they think people are worried their bosses are reading their actual emails. Tim says that it partly is an HR narrative issue and he says most times actual people aren’t monitoring, it’s technical processes that are. 

13:15 - While Tim was working at Applebee’s, his boss got flagged that he was spending a lot of time on Facebook. At the time, they were trying to do some recruiting initiatives on the platform. 

17:00 - JLee asks if it’s okay for her to judge her team members for having such expensive phone plans. 

19:30 - Tim loves to mess with KD and JLee by sending them annoying messages while they’re presenting in a meeting so the notifications pop up for everyone to see…

24:00 - LinkedIn’s CEO recently published a post titled “We Trust Each Other”. They decided to go back to work half-time and this posts reflects on their decision and revises their policy, where moving forward they’re offering more flexibility to their employees and where they work. 

27:00 - JLee applauds them for this messaging, even though they are backpedaling on their original announcement. She likes messages with the world ‘trust’ and thinks it’s smart from a communication perspective.

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On episode 73 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss weird tactics companies are using to find employees, TikTok resumes and their reactions to the Olympics!

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:00 - The whole crew was very into the 2020 Summer Olympics, even though they’re confused on why it’s called 2020 and not 2021. KD is watching the NBC primetime coverage

4:30 - KD wonders why the divers take showers after every dive. JLee tells him that it’s to keep their muscles warm since the pool is so cold. The more you know!

7:00 - Shout out to Katie Ledecky who’s from JLee’s home area! What a beast. 

9:30 - JLee is teaching her children about the Olympics and how they should root for everyone to do well and be happy for all the winners. Great sports life lessons!

11:00 - The majority of the US Olympic team are women. This is the third straight Olympics where women outnumber men for Team USA. 

12:15 - JLee asks Tim and KD what the weirdest thing they’ve seen to help with hiring. She saw a Wendy’s that was offering a free meal to do an interview for a job. KD says that the lack of change by some companies has been the oddest thing to him.

15:45 - JLee shouts out Chipotle for hopping on TikTok to ramp up hiring. 

17:20 - Tim talks about how Chipotle got an influencer to come in and make a video about her past employment there. He thinks this is a really smart recruitment marketing tactic. 

19:30 - JLee talks about an influencer Marriott uses that makes content about being a foster mom of teenage girls. 

22:30 - Tim praises TikTok Resumes for being innovative unlike many other social platforms but is upset that their job description language is the same traditional, boring descriptions from the past. 

27:00 - Tim thinks that smaller brands can have more impact using TikTok for hiring since the bigger brands have more risk involved. 

31:30 - JLee asks the crew what they would say if their kids asked if they should do a TIkTok resume. Tim says that if a brand is on TikTok resumes, they should know what they’re getting themselves into.

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On episode 72 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn   come together to discuss when they are most productive, their work habits via Microsoft MyAnalytics Reports and what those reports say about their wellness levels and work-life balance.

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:30 - KD kicks off the episode by asking the crew if they’re more productive in the morning or night. JLee is not a morning person, where Tim is the opposite. 

6:00 - KD likes to wake up in the morning and read a few chapters. Can you read in the morning or would you fall asleep?

9:00 - KD tries to unplug once a week and he checks his Microsoft MyAnalytics report to see how good he is at this. The analytics report didn’t seem too impressed with KD’s attempt at “crushing it” since he only had 2 work free days in the entire month. 

12:00 - These Microsoft reports seem to be telling employees that they have some work to do from a wellbeing perspective due to set “on and off” hours. 

14:30 - Another statistic KD’s report gave him was that he compromised his “nightly recharge” by working after midnight. 

17:30 - JLee thinks that what might work with these reports is managers having conversations with their teams about how to best look at this data and use the insightful parts.

19:00 - Tim turns off his phone at night and walks up to a manual alarm clock. JLee and KD leave their phones on at night. Do you leave your phone on at night?

22:30 - KD notes that there is no real designation on the platform as “offline” so it’s giving everyone “online” time during their working hours, even if they’re not being 100% productive. 

24:30 - KD’s report said that he gets easily distracted by email and reads 75% of his email within 30 minutes of reading it. The advice it gave him was to think about reading emails only once an hour. 

28:00 - Tim and KD read over 1000 emails a week. JLee says she doesn’t read a lot of emails and KD notes that that’s only really okay if you’re a leader. 

32:00 - KD gives props to Microsoft for giving a shot at giving these kinds of analytics. He doesn’t know if he loves all of this info going to all employees without more context.

On episode 71 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn  come together to discuss how companies are giving Colorado trouble when it comes to remote work, the problems of business travel in an opening world, and vacation problems.

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:00 - Tim recently visited his son in NYC and had the world’s best tacos but almost ditched them for some Korean fried chicken. 

4:00 - Vacations with family and friends are stressful! So much food…

6:00 - All across the US right now are staffing issues. Businesses are in desperate need of staff. Airports are a mess and Tim gives us some of his recent travel woes due to lack of staffing. 

10:00 - Another issue facing the world right now is shortage of cars. Due to some chip shortages, there is a lack of cars which includes a shortage of rental cars. Tim couldn’t get a rental car even weeks ahead. 

12:30 - Recently KD and Tim stayed at the same hotel and were checked-in at an automated system. They did have some employees that were helping out with the process but it was a little bit of a waste. 

15:30 - Revenge travel is real but it’s requiring extra patience right now due to all of the shortage issues. 

17:00 - Colorado has a new state law that requires all companies to disclose salary ranges for all roles being hired (even remote ones). Companies are getting around this law by saying “this position will be filled outside the state of Colorado”. 

20:30 - KD mentions that President Obama once said “elections have consequences”. He relates that to this Colorado law and the movie Blazing Saddles. 

23:00 - JLee mentions that many ATS’s are not set up to display location to jobseekers. She also notes that a lot of big companies are including this language in Colorado but also have confusing language on the actual location of the job. 

27:00 - KD thinks it’s fascinating how states are taking a stand to make hiring more equitable but many brands are taking a stance against them. Many of these brands will stand up for other social causes but not for this one.

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On episode 70 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss the 2021 Summer Olympics, the concept of collective time off and entire companies shutting down, and the lack of women returning to the workforce. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:30 - The Olympics are here! Tim’s wife is Olympic obsessed and watches anything and everything.

4:00 - KD’s favorite Olympic sports are men’s basketball and the decathlon. He loves seeing some bigger dudes struggling with the run at the very end. Tim is a swimming and track & field fan. 

6:45 - JLee is more of a winter Olympic fan but she loves watching archery during the summer. She loves watching the Koreans kick butt in archery at the Olympics. 

9:00 - To help combat burnout, companies have started to implement the concept of “collective time off”, where the entire company shuts down. Bumble recently decided to give their entire staff a week off at the same time. 

11:00 - KD is skeptical of the concept - calling it Privilege - since a lot of companies cannot afford to let all of their employees take off a day like that. 

14:00 - JLee mentions that at her company, Marriott, they cannot afford to give every employee time off since they are a 24/7 operation and that opens them up to controversy and criticism. 

17:20 - JLee asks Tim if this can be used as a recruiting tactic. When he was working at Applebee’s, he found himself working an HR job on Black Friday even though there was nothing to do. Then, they got a new CEO that changed the mindset to not treat everyone the same. 

22:45 - There has been some more data released recently about women in the workforce. JLee mentions how it might not be an option for some women to return to the workforce now. Tim recently found a data point that said there are 2 million people that still have not returned to the workforce. 

27:45 - KD thinks this isn’t an issue that HR can fix on their own. It can be a lot of work but it can be very worthwhile since it’s one of the biggest untapped segments out there.

30:00 - JLee remembers seeing two moms that jobshared and thinking how progressive and seamless it was. 

32:00 - Tim mentions how his brother-in-law is a teacher and only took home $10-15k a year after paying for childcare. 

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On episode 69 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Jessica Lee and Kris Dunn come together to discuss Shopify's CEO laying a smackdown on workplace politics and how hiring in the post-COVID era is the risky age of the "quick quit."

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:00 - KD (our resident book expert) mentions the book, Edge City, about suburban areas that become their own city when it gets enough leasable commercial real estate. 

5:20 - KD asks the crew what they wear on the Fourth of July. Tim and his family wear the Old Navy flag t-shirts every year. 

8:30 - Tim and his wife went to DC for the 4th when his wife was pregnant for the first time and they were not prepared for the madness!

9:30: KD is seeing so much fast-churn in the hiring world right now due to the tight job market and heavy hiring right now. 

12:30 - JLee is really fascinated by the metrics of a “quick-quit” or a “quick-churn”. She mentions that it’s really important when her company is opening new hotels. 

15:30 - Tim mentions how HR treats new employees so roughly and treats them as if they’re seasoned employees. This can ruin new hires and make them want to leave. 

18:40 - JLee says that onboarding shouldn’t be treated as one person’s job, just like company culture. Everyone plays a role and everyone needs to be all in. 

22:00 - Tim says that a piece of the onboarding issue is relationship-based. Good recruiters can do this well because they are good at building that relationship. 

25:00 - Everyone’s favorite topic: politics in the workplace! KD brings up the Canadian company, Shopify. Their CEO made a statement saying that their company is not a family but it is a great team. The statement was made to try and tamp down divisiveness on politics within their teams.  KD notes that the CEO is left leaning, had enough of activist employees and that his guidance was epic. 

29:30 - Tim speaks about how if he’s working with someone that is good at their job and giving him what he needs from a team perspective, that’s all that matters to him. He doesn’t have to be friends with everyone he works with.

32:00 - Jessica commends the statement for discussing how there isn’t a one-size-fits-all approach for how a company can approach politics and social issues and everyone will do it for how it fits their culture.

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On episode 68 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee come together to discuss their new diets for a post-quarantine summer, Apple’s return to work plans, and the managers finding cheaper domestic talent outside of elite/expensive labor markets. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

2:15 - JLee is currently on a vegan kick and she is very hungry…

5:00 - Tim is also trying a new diet for his upcoming family trip to Hawaii for Thanksgiving. He’s seeing some changes so far!

8:00 - KD did 100 pull ups in the course of 90 minutes and it destroyed him. He said it took 5 days for his body to recover…

12:00 - One of the movies that cemented JLee’s switch to a more plant-based diet is called Game Changers (on Netflix) and it’s about a UFC fighter who went vegan and had life-changing results. 

13:20 - Starting in September, Apple employees will have to return to the office on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays.  JLee likes that there is some balance but she doesn’t like that there isn’t more flexibility.

18:30 - In juxtaposition to Apple, Facebook has come out and said that they will stay completely virtual for the foreseeable future.

22:00 - A trend we’re seeing in hiring is “offshoring of talent”. Since there are different costs of living in different places, managers are seeing a potential gain from hiring those who live and work in cheaper places.

27:00 - Tim doesn’t think that this is a salary cut across the board but it’s more of a market correction on the places that had extremely high costs. 

30:00 - JLee is interested to see if there will be retention or turnover issues post-Labor Day when a lot of companies will start to enact their return to work plans. 

On episode 67 of The HR Famous Podcast, long-time HR leaders (and friends) Tim Sackett, Kris Dunn and Jessica Lee  come together to discuss Zoom backgrounds, Naomi Osaka and mental health, and LinkedIn’s acquisition of the platform Hopin. 

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SHOW HIGHLIGHTS:

3:15 - Tim has read that it is healthier to not make your bed. What do we think? It sounds pretty gross…

4:00 - Are we sick of virtual Zoom backgrounds? Tim was bamboozled by someone’s background recently. 

7:40 - First topic: tennis star Naomi Osaka recently refused to partake in press at the French Open due to mental health reasons and later withdrew from the competition. Tim asks the crew whether high-profile people like athletes and celebrities should be forced to do press. 

10:30 - JLee thinks that people like Osaka and Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have extenuating circumstances because they are so famous and have such immense pressures that most people cannot understand. 

13:00 - KD thinks that a lot of people in the “toughen up” camp have really grown and learned from the normalizing of mental health concerns. However, Naomi is different from the run-of-the-mill employee.

17:30 - JLee thinks it’s important to try to have empathy and grace for what people are going through without always knowing what is going on.

18:30 - KD shares his life during the pandemic where he got too into working and has had to set some boundaries in his personal life for when he can and should be working. 

21:00 - Tim is concerned that there is a “mental health trap” where people that are underperforming may use mental health concerns as a faux crutch to explain their poor performance on the job. 

23:20 - Naomi Osaka is dating rapper Cordae. Tim quizzes KD and JLee on his music and whether they know any of his songs. 

24:30 - LinkedIn recently bought the virtual events platform Hopin. Tim thinks it’s a little clunky and isn’t great from a user experience. JLee is a fan of attending their virtual events but wants in-person events back!

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