Intro: bad news for Virgos, Are You My Mother?, when Forever Love goes too far
Let Me Run This By You: Influencer culture, Mr. Beast, 
Interview: We talk to Kevin Fox about his podcast, Studs Terkel, and Edinburgh Fringe.
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Intro: Boz is in a pickle.
Let Me Run This By You: Gina evaluates her relationship with curmudgeonry.
Interview: We talk to Leslie Ivery about loving online theatre school, the British drama school experience, preferring playing villains, sci-fi and fantasy, and going against the grain.

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I'm Jen Bosworth Ramirez 

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Gina Pulice 

and I'm Gina Pulice. 

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Jen Bosworth-Ramirez 

We went to theatre school together. We survived it, but we didn't quite understand. 

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Gina Pulice 

20 years later, we're digging deep re talking to our guests about their experiences and trying to make sense of it all. 

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Jen Bosworth-Ramirez 

We survived theater school and you will too. Are we famous yet? 

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Gina Pulice 

Anyways? So I want to hear about your pilot. 

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Jen Bosworth-Ramirez 

Well, I'm in a pickle because I'm in a real pickle. Gina. What happened was, see, what had happened was, was I entered, there is a, a contest. They said, okay, write a log line and your bio. And if, if people are interested and we'll - through this organization, I won't mention, but cause who knows. And if, if you write your bio in your log line and we'll send it to execs, and if execs are interested, they'll contact you about your project. And the deadline was last night and I entered a week ago and this weekend at 1:00 AM I get an email saying, send us the, the full script. 

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Gina Pulice 

Oh my God, that is amazing. Oh but now you have to write it. I get it. 

1m 35s

Jen Bosworth-Ramirez 

I started, it was like 1:00 AM and I'm never up, but I happened to be up and I, and there was an email and it was like, can we see the whole script for called my calls? And I was like, yes, I wrote back the next morning and said, good morning. And I, I said the truth. I said, I'm in between drafts. I'm incorporating notes from my mentor, which is true. And I will have it to you as I'm madly working on it and I'll have it to as soon as possible. But yeah. And so I, no, the log line is good. And I know that, okay, when Bridget Lopez - up and coming up and coming entertainment, executive and champion of the me too movement is blackmailed by her former boss - former disgrace boss. 

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Jen Bosworth-Ramirez 

She hires him as her assistant so she can keep her part in the crimes secrets. 

2m 40s

Gina Pulice 

I love it. So jam packed, and it is so much information in such a pithy way to read it too. Yeah. So 

2m 49s

Jen Bosworth-Ramirez 

You will, you will win and win and I'll send it on over. But so what what's happening now with me and I'm just in, in, in total, like, oh, and, and I wrote to my mentor and told her what she's like, congratulations, you've set up quite a challenge for yourself. You can do it. And it's going to be hard. I was like, you are correct. She didn't say anything like, so I guess my question to you is, I don't know, or I just feel like this was happened and Hollywood where people pitch ideas and the thing isn't written, I would assume. No, I 

3m 20s

Gina Pulice 

Think that happens mostly 99% of the time, because I have heard so many stories from people who say they'll pitch 12 ideas, and then they'll the, whoever somebody will buy the idea that they literally thought of in the moment that they were sitting there in the meeting. And then they're like, oh shit. And I have to go write this. I think that, I think it's the norm really. I mean, and, and they didn't say to you send it to us immediately, Did they? 

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Jen Bosworth-Ramirez 

No. They just said and send it over. And I said, I will. So that's what I'm doing, beans. I, you know, exciting, exciting. And it's, and it's, it's interesting to, to sit down I'm the, my balcony and actually do the work. And I find that I get really close, literally. Like I'm typing really close and I'm doing a thing. And then I have to step away. I have to get, I have to, it gets too much. And then I get up and go walk around and do some weird stuff. And then I go back and sit. So that's how I write, I don't know how you, right. But I get really into it. And then it's too much. And I'm like, oh, okay. I have to step back. 

4m 28s

Jen Bosworth-Ramirez 

Right. 

4m 29s

Gina Pulice 

So tell me what the.... It literally just the mechanics of sitting down and making sure you have whatever it is, 45 pages, is it that you don't totally know where the story's going to be? Is it that you have one? You know, like what, what we found in our pilot is we have these really strong characters. We have a very strong setting and the plot was the heart is the harder part. And that's, that's definitely true for me. Plot is my weakest, which is kind of funny to say like, okay, well, the plot is sort of everything agreed, but I, and I feel 

5m 12s

Jen Bosworth-Ramirez 

The same way I have the same. I mean, I think I have. Yeah. So, so I know these characters inside and out. I like we did with, like we do with Kiki. Its like, but yeah. I don't know exactly how they're going to get to where they're going. I know where I know for the most part we're in the pilot, they end up, but it's it's for me, it's sitting down and doing an outline and, and getting it all and I had note cards. And so it's like, you know, it's just doing the thing sitting. It's two things. Plot meets sitting my butt down and doing the thing it feels. So, and I wonder underneath of its vulnerable vulnerability, but I'm the outsider. 

5m 57s

Jen Bosworth-Ramirez 

It feels so uncomfortable. Like I'm like literally trying to get dressed in a sweater that's a little too tight and sit down and, and just do the thing, like just do the thing. And you know, it's interesting. I, my sister in high school was someone who procrastinated. She was an, a student, but procrastinated. And then she would wait until the last minute and then scream and yell literally and start freaking out and then get it done. So I feel like that my version of that is like, okay, getting up, having to walk around, drinking some, drinking, something, a lot of seltzer water getting back out, you know, eating an almond. 

6m 43s

Jen Bosworth-Ramirez 

And it's like it getting my butt in the chair for, and then, you know, it's, it's hard, it's hard. And I, I dance around it and I'm wrestling with it. And so yesterday I really just started pounding it out. The, the, the outline is pound pounded out and now I'll send it to my mentor and she'll look at it. And, but it's, it's wrestling. I saw this hashtag and it was wrestling with words doors. And that's how I feel about this, even though I'm on the balcony. So mine's wrestling, with words on the balcony and it, and Stephen K...

Intro: looking your best before death,
Let Me Run This By You: On the subject of grit.
Interview: We talk to P.J. Powers

FULL TRANSCRIPT:
Jen Bosworth Ramirez and Gina Pulice. We went to theatre school together. We survived it, but we didn't quite understand it. 20 years later, we're digging deep talking to our guests about their experiences and trying to make sense of it all. We survived theater school and you will too. Are we famous yet? 

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We could do both at once. Yeah, exactly. Okay. That's what I need to hold out for. Just when I need a surgery for something that's. Can I just get the guy from plastics in here? Just give me a little, a little, a little lift. So my mom had this condition where she had her eyelids were drooping, you know, and it was like, and so did all my, all her sisters have the same thing. And so she wanted this surgery that was going to do that. You can't see on the podcast, but it's really funny. I looked insane, but the thing was my mom, and this is sad and funny when she was sort of dying of cancer, decided she wanted all these things done. It was so weird. And the doctors were like, like implants. 

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She got implants right before she died. Teeth implants. Oh, oh, whoops. Oh my God. Oh my God. That would be insane. That would be fantastic. Actually. I want to be the best looking on that fuckable Corp. Yeah, exactly. No boobs, but she wanted, she wanted, she got teeth. I mean, teeth is something you kind of need, so it's not, but I was like, mom, are you sure the ones in the back you need to be getting because you can't see them and you're going through chemo and this is insane, but she wanted it. So she had like 15 grand worth of teeth put in or 20 grand. And then she died two months later and I was like, can we get a refund two months? 

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00:01:51

It was rough. It was rough. But anyway, she wanted to meet St. Peter looking her best. And she wanted that eye surgery done. And they were like, listen, ma'am, you're like literally riddled with cancer. Like I not sure putting you under the knife to get your eyelids is, but she, she was in denial and she didn't want to, of course, who wants to really look at, oh yeah, all this is feudal. Cause I'm going to die soon. So she's like, okay. She was like trying to, she was buying the rebel. She was buying time. I know somebody who had that eyelid surgery done. And then they just look like their eyes are wide open. It's a little startling. It's a little startling. What's happening with your band. 

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So they're in Seattle playing some shows and I did not go with them clearly. And they're, they're doing fine. Their new single came out and they are they're okay. And, but meaning I want it to get into like, I'm really into the informational interview, even though I have to drag myself to go and I I'm the one who asked for it. I'm so dumb. But I went and she was, she was lovely. And gave me the ropes of like, this is what managers actually do. So I'm just educating myself because you know, I'm not going to grad school for music management. I'm not going to do that. And she was lovely. She's an amazing person. 

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And she's a friend of my cousins and she agreed to meet with me and yeah, nothing. I'm just in, I'm still, I guess all this to say, I'm still in the information gathering stage and I'm just seeing what's out there in the world. Jobs. People do like studs, Terkel. I'm just conducting your own research. Let Me Run This By . I really love, I just read grinning about grit. Oh, you did? What was it? I can't remember. Okay. Well, so my thing about grit is I think it's a glamorous kind of idea more often than not. 

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And, and it's kind of part of bootstraps culture and American blah, blah, blah. But I just looked up the definition to remind myself and it means courage and resolve strength of character. I feel like people when they talk about grit often mean, Hm, just muscling through something without, without acknowledging the complexity of it in any way, as opposed to what it really is, which is encourage has a lot to do with it. Oh, I find there's a real lack of courage. 

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I agree. I think that the, the epitome of grit to me is when I'm midway or three quarters of the way up the hill when I'm hiking. And I literally have to, while I'm gritting my teeth and I literally have to pull up from the depths of me, I do anything I can to hold on to just say, keep going up the hill because I want to turn around, like, everything in me wants to turn around. And the thing that keeps me going is encouragement from myself and others, like Gisa, my friend, even though I want to strangle her when she's doing it and a deep well of resolve that, I don't know where it comes from. 

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Like it is, it is, it is like when people talk about marathon running and they're like, I don't know that something kicks in and I, and I have this, it's this courage to just keep going. It is grit is excruciating. It is not like, you know, oh, just give it a try. It is like, it sounds, and I've obviously never, I mean, I've never given birth. So, but like that is to me when it sounds like when you're three quarters of the way pushing a baby out and you just want to die, but you, but you keep going because you have, that's where grit to me that's comes into play. You know, it's a more physiological thing that I think people realize, yes, I agree with you. 

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And also I think it is not so much taught, like explicitly taught behavior as it is people pick it up when other people are modeling it for them. Mostly I was talking to somebody recently who said, you know, I'm just not a soldier. Like this is one of my problems in life is I'm not, I'm not a soldier. And I thought about it and I thought, okay, well I am a soldier. I mean, I will just, I will keep going on, which is not. And it's not always great. No, but it just, that is, it doesn't occur to me a lot of the time to not do something. And I don't really question in the way that I feel like my kids, for example, question, why do I have to do that? 

1 

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Or, you know, I'm back just as a side note, I recently started saying like, you know what, I don't have to give you a reason because I've gotten stuck in this thing of like rationalizing every decision because they, they I've shaped that behavior. And then they say, why, why, why do I have to do that? So if you're, if people in your life don't model grit for you, they don't model sticking things through to the end, having a career, adopting a courageous attitude and then strength of character. I don't know. I D I don't see a ton of it. I feel like represented just in our culture. And, but, or when it is, it's talked about in this like American military, it's a real sort of white dude, John Wayne kind of strengthened character. 

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Yes. A hundred percent. That's what it is. It's the John Wayne. It's the, it's the clinics. What thing? And sure. I ...

Intro: Salad bars, Sizzler, vaccine aftermath, resentful giving,
Let Me Run This By You: Mentorship, boundaries
Interview: We talk to Ryan Kitley about teaching theatre, coming to the work with a beginner's mind, and manifesting going "offer only".

FULL TRANSCRIPT:
Jen Bosworth Ramirez and Gina Pulice. We 

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Went to theatre school together. We survived it, but we didn't quite understand 

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It. 20 years later, we're digging deep talking to our guests about their experiences and trying to make sense of 

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It all. We survived theater school and you will too, are we famous yet? 

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Probably. And very low profit margin on salads, but there used to be so many restaurants where it was that it was just like one enormous salad bar with everything you could possibly want and your sound and like really good little corn muffins. 

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You know, you know, I remember in the Midwest it was different because nobody eats salad really in the Midwest. I mean, when I was growing up, we didn't, and then there was a Sizzler salad bar and that mostly had like cheese Bleu, cheese, cheddar, cheese, and bacon and eggs, bacon bits crew times that was your salad and iceberg lettuce and some ice iceberg. If you're lucky and shredded carrots, like that was your salad. And I was just thinking of Sizzler. I actually really liked to Sizzler and go with my grandma and my great aunt and my freaking great aunt, Ruth, my grandma's sister would put popcorn shrimp in a napkin in her purse because it was all you can eat. 

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And she would take that shit home in a napkin, not even a Tupperware, not a napkin. She'd wrap all the popcorn shrimp in her bag. Oh my God. Bless her. That's awesome. And how you do it over there? 

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Well, I woke up in a fantastic mood. It's a beautiful sunny day. I think really that I, this is going to sound crazy, but I really think after my first vaccine, I think I was tired for one month because then I got my second one last week and I felt bad just for one day. And after that, I feel better than I have and like a month, I don't know what to make of that, but 

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I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I think that doesn't shock me. Like, I think you were probably fighting it off some form of the virus for 

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A month. Yeah, I think I was. And today's my mom's birthday, so yes, yes. Very cool. I'll I'll call her when we're done here. And yeah, so it was, everyone was coming up roses and then I got an email and, you know, I saw the email come through it and I thought I'm in a good mood. I don't want to read this email because I have a feeling it's going to take me off, but I'm trying to be better about responding to people in a timely fashion, because this is not a strength of mine. I mean, I'm the type of person I either get back to you the second I get your thing or like, it takes me six years. Okay. So I decided to be, I'll feel even better if I feel like I've just handled this. 

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And then of course I opened just this like Pandora's box of shit and Twinkies. It was terrible. And you know, that aside here's, here's where I'm at and my life. I'm trying to look at these S I'm, I'm trying to stop looking at these experiences and such a, like a micro fashion and think about like how this person is hurting my feelings or how their wrong and I'm right away. And instead I want to make it like a growing a learning moment, a teaching moment for myself about like what my tendencies are and why am I getting angry and resentful and keeping myself in check about like how I do things, which is good. And I mean, 

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That's the only way to stay sane. I think, I think 

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The only way to stay, stay. And so, and, and, and, you know, not that I never realized this before, but it's really hitting home. Like if you have clearly defined values and every decision you make is, is guided by that. I mean, not to say it's always so conscious. Mostly it's probably unconscious, but when there's a conflict or something like that, and somebody is questioning something that you did, if you check in with yourself and you say, wait, if I were in that person's shoes, like on the other side of this power dynamic, I think I would be fine with what I'm doing. I still think what I did is fine, but what happens? 

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The, the flip side of people pleasing is resentment. Totally because this per hangar support, okay, take one too. And because this person who's giving me a hard time, what they don't know is that I'm, I've poisoned them. And that I, that I anonymously provided financial support to them. Oh, okay. So here's the thing that, that, so that's an example of, of people-pleasing and resentment. I, I, it's not like I loved this person, but I knew that this person needed a little help. 

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And I found a way that I could do it anonymously that wasn't gonna be, make them feel ashamed. And so I did it. And, and now when I'm getting a hard time, my impulse is to say, I, after what I did after what I've done for you, and that's the phrase after what I've done for you, the miniature here that coming out of your mouth, no, you're doing something wrong. 

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Yes. I was just going to say, this is the epitome of how I, I spent probably most of my time until recently is saying like, I, my version of that is very similar to like I did so good. I tried so hard and you screwed me over. And mind borders goes then into feeling sorry for myself and resentful. But instead of it turns to like, I, this always happens to me. I always try and look what happened. So anyway, continue. So absolutely 

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Everything you just said. I totally relate to, those are also things that I have said to myself and it's no good. It poisons the well of my own good vibes. And, and, you know, I've said many times in here, I don't think the answer is to only have good vibes, but I also don't think the only answer is to, you know, be a swishing about like a plastic bag and the wind based on who, how if somebody is accepting or rejecting you at any given moment. So yeah. So I'm guess you do. So I wrote a response this has to do with this organization that I'm a part of. And I wrote a re I wrote, I drafted something that I sent to the other, my cohort, you know, the other leaders and the group to, you know, to get feedback about S w which is good, because I didn't just send it so smart, which is what I wanted to do. 

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Yeah. And, and the thing about, yeah, so I showed, this is what, this is all it is. I'm just meditating about my desire. And also it's all very...

Jen and Gina pay a small tribute to a complicated man who had a profound impact on them both.

Intro: major life realizations, writing personally, people think you are what you tell them you are
Let Me Run This By You: FOMO
Interview: We talk to Bridget Quebodeaux about Feldenkrais, Cal Arts, anxiety, DEFT, the unique mental health challenges of people who choose a conservatory education, unresolved trauma, trying to figure out who you are through acting, avant garde theatre, John Sarno's work, using her own experiences in theatre school as a tool for doing the therapeutic work she does now.

Intro: SAG insurance, returning to normal, Cedar Point, Disneyland tours, the mundane casualties of covid, conspiracy theories, 5G radiation.
Let Me Run This By You: How good are you at saying you're wrong?
Interview: We talk to Syler Thomas about finding his faith while at TTS, Christian media, and finding performance everywhere.

Intro: Is Boz becoming the next Rick Rubin? Also, fledgling bands, diversifying your anxieties, and
Let Me Run This By You: How do you feel about the concept of laziness?
Interview: We talk to Stefanee White about professional poker playing, microagressions, and proud dads.

Intro: Should Boz become a band manager?
Let Me Run This By You: When you ASSUME.
Interview: We talk to Sarah Charipar about playing old ladies when you're barely an adult.

FULL TRANSCRIPT
Speaker 1: (00:08)
I'm Jen Bosworth Ramirez and I'm Gina Pulice. We went to theater school together. We survived it, but we didn't quite understand it. 20 years later, we're digging deep talking to our guests about their experiences and trying to make sense of it all. We survived theater school and you will too. Are we famous yet?

Before we begin this episode? Just a little note to say there were some audio problems with this. I did the best I could fixing it up. The content is still good, but you know, sometimes things work out that way. Mercury was in retrograde or something. I'm sure. Anyway, enjoy.

Speaker 2: (00:47)
Hi. How you doing? How you doing, babe?

I stayed up pretty late. You did. Okay. I have these neighbors. Do you know? Oh my God though, that gives me flashbacks. Um, no, no, I have these neighbors, right. I adore them. Okay. They are young, you know, mid, late twenties in a band that I adore and they're trying to get me to be their manager. I don't think that's a great idea just because I don't know how to manage bands. And I am trying to work on my own career, but, but I did give them some feedback, like about how to go about their there's a great band, great kids, you know, kids 20, 27. Yeah. But still kids to me. And, um, anyway, we stayed on the w we have balconies next to each other. So we just sat out there talking while miles, miles was as long asleep at like seven, but I stayed up until nine.

Speaker 2: (01:48)
So that's late for me. Oh my gosh. I thought all this was building up to like, you stayed up till three in the morning. You got two hours of 7:00 PM. 7:00 PM. Well, he gets up at four. So, um, he goes to bed. No, I shouldn't say last night he did go to bed a little earlier, but usually it's about eight 30, eight, eight 30. It's really quite does he get up at four? Because like, that's his natural body. He likes to do that. He does his burpees. He's Mr. Kind of healthy. He does all this workout stuff and I'm just jealous. That's the reason you didn't see it. But I did like a dismissive hand gestures only because I'm jealous. That's the only reason. So, so he, so anyway, his people were farmers that's. I mean, that's what they say. Like people who are night owls probably have ancestors who were on the night watch, you know, caveman style and people who just a mosquito and people who are early risers were, I mean, I've heard, Oh, I like that. Then that I like that. That means my dad was on the Nightwatch and, uh, or just very

Speaker 3: (03:00)
Depressed and couldn't go to sleep, but, or I'm going to choose the nightmare.

Speaker 4: (03:08)
Let me run this by you.

Speaker 5: (03:15)
I recently called to tell you about, uh, a experience I had with a friend of mine, who I felt like didn't like something I had suggested to them and wasn't responding to my text message and it's, I wasn't, uh, freaked out about it. That's a step forward. And I wasn't even very worried about it, but I thought, okay, well I suggested something to this person. They didn't write me back. My assumption was that they thought it was a terrible idea and didn't want to have any part of it. And I was completely wrong because I had another conversation with this person yesterday. And like, and of course they reason they didn't write me back was completely

Speaker 3: (03:56)
Had nothing to do logical. Right. And this is

Speaker 5: (03:59)
So lesson that I can't seem to grasp that. Like my first inclination is always to say, they're mad at me. I did something wrong.

Speaker 3: (04:13)
Sure. How do I get out of that? I don't know. It's the same. So I think I have the exact same thing. Mine goes mine. It's my first instinct. And I think it's practice of look, actually what I think it is is if you go to that first thing first, which you probably, I probably will, and you probably will, the rest of your life. It's just, just part of the DNA. All right. But the process of working through it right. And getting to the point of being like acceptance of, okay. So if they are mad, okay. So if they are, they hate my guts. Okay. What then, what am I going to, how am I going to take care of myself? If this person is upset or who doesn't want to be my friend or whatever, I think that's the real, um, when of the thing is working through, working with ourselves through that process is the process versus, you know what I'm saying? Like that's the reason it comes up is to, to be worked through and not necessarily that the first instinct will go away because I don't think it will. I just think that's the way we're wired. At least I know that's the way I'm wired. And I think I it's practice of working through so that it becomes less of a whole situation. Um, and more of a, Oh yeah, I did that thing again. Okay. Well, how can I work with myself? Okay. So let me talk it through with somebody, let me, but I, you know,

Speaker 5: (05:48)
Bernie in that, and I have, I guess now that we're talking about, I guess I have come some, what of a way? I mean, cause it used to just be that I would immediately respond to that person and say like, I'm sorry, I take it back. Or, or like, I know that I know you hate me now.

Speaker 3: (06:05)
Just start crying profusely, get on the phone and say, I'm sorry, I'm so terrible. Um, and please forgive me. Yeah. Like you said, it was a, be a whole play, a drama

Speaker 5: (06:18)
And then DBT, uh, I think it was i...

Intro: licking the ground to lose weight
Let Me Run This By You: spin class, check on your cheery friends, too
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Interview: We talk to Nik Whitcomb about Nebraska, the Rose Theatre, and working in a truly collaborative fashion.