International scholar and doyen of critical race theory Prof Ian Haney Lopez and writer and entrepreneur Chloe Valdary are powerful voices in the strident and polarising debates surrounding identity politics. In this episode, we explore the shift in the understanding of racism, from the traditional liberal notion that we should treat everyone equally, to a politics actually based on race consciousness and racial identity. 

We look at where this shift is helpful, and where it might be less helpful. Does it give us the tools to see through structural racism and unconscious biases and to end racial injustice? Or does this ideology drive a wedge between us, treating us as groups and not individuals, making us feel further apart and less inclined to care for each other? In this conversation, Chloe and Ian bring their very different perspectives, exposing where the intellectual faultlines exist, all within a fierce shared commitment to racial justice.

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Your hosts are Lloyd Vogelman and Emile Sherman.

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This Podcast is Produced by Jonah Primo and Bronwen Reid

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