Gretchen and Katie have a conversation with Rev. Bob Hiller about prosperity gospel, and how it sneaks into churches in a way that we start targeting the healthy people, the young families, and those who have something to offer the church. We talk about the idolatry of growth, and how idolatry works in these scenarios.

What are the goals of the church, and how can you tell if a program in the church is "working?" We discuss all of that, with lots of laughter and multiple perspectives.

Bob Hiller is one of our favorite repeat guests, a pastor out in California, a co-host of the White Horse Inn podcast, on the board of 1517, and author to some great resources, like "Christ in the Straw" (which is apparently not an advent devotional).

Show Notes:

• Support 1517

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What's New from 1517:

• Freedom Lessons Album

• Free 2023 Advent Resources

• Your God is too Glorious, 2nd Edition

• 2024 NWA Tickets (May 3-4)

• Join the 1517 Academy

More from the hosts:

• Gretchen Ronnevik

• Katie Koplin

• Bob Hiller's book: Christ in the Straw