Some of the strongest, smartest, amazingest people I know are women with a history of addiction, two of whom I've never met in person, all of whom stubbornly refuse to see themselves as brave, admirable or beautiful.

Whatever.

They are, and I know it. Now you can, too, because I was joined by Kim (People Are Wild), Karla (Go Postal) and Danielle (Hoosier Homicide), to check in a month after our last conversation... to clarify, to update, and to tell a few stories. There might be inappropriate language and even more inappropriate humor.

Disclaimer is by Matt Bolea (1st Focus podcast). Promos by Relic and Killafornia Dreaming. Sponsored by Bath By Bex (use code CBDkate for 15% off at checkout).

"I don't want to seem pushy... but you're wrong."

One might imagine that two female podcasters, one in the crime/psychology genre and the other a horror fiction writer, would have a lot in common.

One would be both correct and incorrect.

A big thanks for Augie Peterson for talking through some complicated stuff with me today. Promos by Canadian True Crime and Out of the Shadows. Sponsored by Bath By Bex (code CBDkate for 15% off).

Recently, I was joined by Jason Eric Ross, psychotherapist, actor and writer, to answer the age-old question:

What happens when two psychologists come at topics from different backgrounds but similar goals? 

...guess you'll just have to tune in to find out.

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Podcasts covering Keith Hunter Jesperson:

Dark Poutine

True Crime All the Time

True Crime Guys

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Disclaimer by Hoosier Homicide. Promos by The Unseen and Murder Blows.

Sponsor: Bath By Bex (code CBDkate at checkout for 15% off).

If you haven't already checked out our shared episode on Chris' excellent show, Killer Jobs, please head over there and listen to that, first. It's not strictly necessary, in order to enjoy this one, but it will fill in a lot of blanks and maybe you'll pick up on a few more of the goofy references.

Regardless, whether you wanted it or not, here you go: my concerns about sentencing and incarceration, my thoughts on what we should change first in the criminal justice system, and why this whole damn episode leaves me more optimistic than I have felt in a really long time. Because Chris and I come at this stuff from very different philosophies and perspectives, yet we're able to engage in a respectful, intelligent discourse without resorting to name-calling or insults.

Amazing.

Promos from Blood on the Rocks and Dark Histories.

A quick-and-dirty sort of episode, to give you an update on the case that we talked about on Episode 32... Scott Reeder from Suspect Convictions called to talk about jury selection, the experience of being a court reporter, and why paper books still matter.