While I’m still working on creating both a special collaboration mini series and mapping out season 4, I wanted to provide you listeners with a special treat!

This episode is an interview with Supernatural's production designer, producer, and occasional director: Jerry Wanek! We talk about his experience working on Supernatural, how the show reflected timeless styles from the iconic motel rooms to the art deco Bunker, and how he relates to the fandom. Oh, and we even go on a little tangent about famed Texas author Larry McMurtry!

Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social

Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott

Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie

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With season 3 wrapped, we wanted to see what lingering questions you have about parasocial relationships. Editor Anna Funk joins Sadie on the mic to answer some listener questions and reflect on the season as a whole.

Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social

Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott

Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie

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In this final installment of the season, we wrap up final thoughts on the state of celebrity worship, fame, and parasociality. We’ll also hear a bit more about the positive things that we can get out of parasocial relationships, some of the risks to watch out for, and discuss the future of parasociality.

Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social

Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott

And new music written & performed by August Hotel: @augusthotel

Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie

See full episode transcript at www.sadiewit.com

To submit your questions or comments for the bonus episode, send your message to [email protected]

Resources from this episode:

https://time.com/6294226/parasocial-relationships-benefits/

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/parasocial-relationships

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sixteenth-minute-of-fame/id1743960803

https://www.404media.co/mage-space-new-restrictions-non-consensual-porn-celebrities/

https://www.404media.co/character-ai-chatbot-changes-filters-roleplay/

https://www.404media.co/ai-therapy-bots-meta-character-ai-ftc-complaint/

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We’ve talked about parasocial relationships as a one-way street, but can that ever change? Is there a way for a parasocial bond to become just a regular friendship? What would that even look like?

Hear examples of how parasocial relationships became something more reciprocal, and learn whether that’s likely to be a rare event or something more commonplace.

Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social

Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott

And new music written & performed by August Hotel: @augusthotel

Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie

See full episode transcript at www.sadiewit.com

Resources from this episode:

https://denimwrappednightmares.buzzsprout.com/

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/mark-sheppard-wife-sarah-louise-151720015.html

https://people.com/how-did-taylor-swift-and-travis-kelce-meet-8405807

To submit your questions or comments, send your message to [email protected]

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Has the internet made us all worse at relationships, including the parasocial ones? We’ll talk about the celebrity attitude scale, which measures how intensely an audience member feels about a celebrity, how the internet has changed our media diets, and how online relationships are a blessing and a curse.

Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social

Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott

And new music written & performed by August Hotel: @augusthotel

Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie

See full episode transcript at www.sadiewit.com

Resources from this episode:

https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20160106-how-sherlock-holmes-changed-the-world

https://defector.com/chapell-roan-fan-privacy-drama?utm_source=mckinneykelsey&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the-terror-of-the-mirror-a-2024-review

https://www.tiktok.com/@chappellroan/video/7404957266853645611?lang=en

https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Ft04928-000

http://www.jssshonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/JSSSH_Vol.7_No.1_2021_66-75_Sr.-No.7.pdf

https://www.esquire.com/food-drink/drinks/g22118748/best-celebrity-liquors/

https://al-kindipublisher.com/index.php/jhsss/article/view/279

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lgNPGH1rXI

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/gal-gadot-s-imagine-instagram-video-was-peak-cringe-year-ncna1261685

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/jan/05/gal-gadot-imagine-video

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What’s it like to be in-between a celebrity and their fans? What’s it like to have a real relationship with a famous person—and have fans think you might be an access point to that person?

Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social

Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott

And new music written & performed by August Hotel: @augusthotel

Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie

See full episode transcript at www.sadiewit.com

Resources from this episode:

Listen to Normal Gossip: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/normal-gossip/id1597761181

Read 'You didn't hear this from me': https://bookshop.org/p/books/you-didn-t-hear-this-from-me-mostly-true-notes-on-gossip-kelsey-mckinney/21441330

See Bert's "showgirl" costumed look: https://www.instagram.com/resortsworldlv/p/C8pYKvHP667/

Chicago Music Exchange: https://www.instagram.com/chicagomusicexchange/

Jennifer's gofundme: https://www.gofundme.com/f/jp-jennifer-may-nickel-eaton-fire-relief-fund

Ackles' dog, Icarus: https://www.instagram.com/danneelackles512/p/B-hx9mzgYBC/?img_index=1

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I'm so sorry for the delay, but I promise you will have a brand-spanking-new episode in your feed in 2 weeks.

In the meantime, support NPR/PBS! Support local journalism! And find ways to give back to your community around you, because this is the only way we're going to make it through.

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Explore how parasocial relationships may, or may not, differ across mediums. I speak with creators in music, podcasting, youtube, and musical threater spaces to hear how each of their experiences are different and yet so similar!

Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social

Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott

And new music written & performed by August Hotel: @augusthotel

Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie

See full episode transcript at www.sadiewit.com

Resources from this episode:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message

https://reggieslive.com/band/august-hotel/

https://www.hyperfixedpod.com/

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/western-kabuki/id1647062210

https://www.alimattu.com/

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What happens when our minds fixate on an actor or band member or podcaster and we start to see things that aren’t there? When a fan feels so much closer to their idolized famous person than they really are?

AKA, What’s the deal with parasocial relationships?

Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk

Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott

Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie

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A HUGE thank you to Marie for letting me rebroadcast this lovely conversation with her from March 2024.

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Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk

Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott

Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie

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