In Research Of

This is part 2 of our 2-part coverage of The Mothman Prophecies movie. If you haven't listened to Part-1, please turn over the record and start again.

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This is part 1 of our 2-part coverage of The Mothman Prophecies movie. This is in lieu of S04E21 (see below) but we hope you enjoy the content and after part 2, we return to our regularly scheduled episodes list.

"So... Air Disasters Predictions, Jeb? What do you think we'll get?"

Well it turned out to be more than we expected. During our research for this episode we ran into a bit of a puzzle. It turns out that one of the key figures in the episode is still alive and has become an important figure in the world of conspiracy and out of an abundance of caution for our own sanity (as regards potential litigiousness) we've decided to shelve this one for a while. Will we come back and fill in the gap when we think the coast is clear? I don't know - but we didn't want to leave a hole in your listening so we decided to do something... more ambitious. So what we did instead was we recorded a 4+ hour deep dive into the 2002 film The Mothman Prophecies.

Extensive show notes available (for free) at our Patreon page. https://www.patreon.com/posts/s4-bonus-mothman-126932315

Jeb and Blake go in search of John the Baptist's resting place. Content Warning: Human remains on screen. Discussion of murder.

Beheading John the Baptist (wiki)

Salome (play)

In 2018 the murder of Bishop Epiphanius took place and rocked the religious community -- not important for this episode but it popped up a lot in my searching.

San Silvestro "head" shown in intro

Same - but wiki article

Nimoy Fashion Alert (NFA Wardrobe consulting by The Hogtown Rake, Pedro Mendes)

The "head" of John the Baptist at San Silvestro:

Art historian Michael Patroconni (Petroccione?)

I think Jeb and I found this to be the most fun part of the episode:

Gerald Larue obituary

Herod Antipas (the Herod that executed JTB)

Wadi El Natrun

The Cave of John the Baptist

Blake tries to talk Jeb off the ledge as we return to the classic theme of "ancient astronauts" in this throwback episode titled: Earth Visitors.

Some links relevant to our discussion:

Dejah Thoris (character)

MUFON/Harzan scandal

Roman Dodecahedrons (archaeology)

Frank Frazetta

Boris Vallejo

We mention Zecharia Sitchin.

Research suggests humans grow more neurons than did Neanderthals.

A bunch of this episode comes from the work of Maurice Chatelain, who we shall refer to as "Shadowlane." His book Our Cosmic Ancestors sports one of the more interesting book covers we've seen while researching this show.

He also wrote Our Ancestors Came from Outer Space. Maurice Chatelain's credentials appear to have been somewhat overstated in the episode.

We'll be talking about several "Out of Place Artifacts" or OOPAs in this episode. Let's start with the "Boot Print" aka The Meister Print. (pictured below) See also this article by Glenn Kuban.

Very compelling stuff. I guess. I mean it sort of looks like show print.

This interesting looking skull also sent us down some research holes.

The text of the episode seems to be talking about the Del Mar Skull but the image doesn't look like a close match.

A lot of "shapes on the earth" are discussed. The shapes require you to do a lot of work. We'll get into that in the episode. But one is the Maltese Cross that is absolutely stunning, so long as you ignore that some of the points are hundreds of miles from the alleged anchor points and that the temples allegedly at each point were centuries apart. Skeptical response via CSICOP.

Also - this is supposed to be a "pyramid" but seems to be more of what geometry wonks call a "triangle."

I'm trying to find the type of terminal behind our statistician. And - behind the scenes I've managed to contact him and he assures me that the episode required many takes and that his students reported they made him sound like he believes in the whole ancient astronauts thing... More on this if I hear back from a rather lengthy email I sent him today (12/13/24).

Read even more about the Monte Carlo Method!

Vintage ad for the The Outer Space Connection.

According to Scientific American, the idea that indigenous Americans were here for a very long time (from across the Bering sea) really kicked off in the 1930s.

Read more about The Elephant Slab hoax.

This montage of Kachina dolls really impressed Blake:

Nimoy Fashion Alert!

Native Jewelry Artist Preston Monongye

Engineer Charles Ruggles

Could he be LARPing J. Allen Hynek?

Finally we get to the Cosa Artifact.

And - of course, The Jupiter Menace (1982)

Jeb and Blake head out to sea in research of the mystery of what happened to the crew of The Mary Celeste.

The Dei Gratia

Nimoy Fashion Alert (NFA Wardrobe consulting by The Hogtown Rake, Pedro Mendes)

Attorney Fred Flood

In 1913, The Strand Magazine provided an alleged survivor's account from one Abel Fosdyk, supposedly Mary Celeste's steward.

The Mary Celeste (1913 article)

Per "WhatTheFont" website identifier, that font is (appropriately): JOLLY ROGER!

Meanwhile on Skull Hut Island...

Pop Culture:

Dead Calm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mystery_of_the_Mary_Celeste

Read it, it's a time. Hammer film -Jeb

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chase_(Doctor_Who)

Jeb and Blake go into the jungles of California and France in search of WILD CHILDREN!

This episode of ISO contains a lot of disturbing content and our commentary is laced with expletives, hence the Explicit tag.

• Tarzan is raised by a fictional ape species known as The Mangani

• The story of Mowgli is LOOOOSELY based on the real-life person Dina Sanichar.

• Frequently referenced ERB Zine article

• Ian Jackson obituary

• News coverage of David as adult (BBC)

• 2021 update on David

• 1985 story about search for "wild children" (and Sham Dev/Shamdeo)

• Christopher Hitchens on Mother Theresa

• Japanese quadrupedal runner

• The Green Children of Woolpit

• Victor of Aveyron

• Disturbing story of Genie - more neglected than feral

NFA - Wild Children:

It's supposed to be a Bear but it has some other possumbilities.

How could Vincent have been a creative genius - yet also "insane?" Jeb and Blake take a look at Nimoy's very personal thoughts about this question.

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Links for Show Notes:

Nimoy's play VINCENT via Archive

81 Words - This American Life on the DSM

The Book of Kells

Bullshit or Not? Was JTR really Nessie?

Article on Jo Bonger

The Golden Gate Quartet

Weird Al's Skipper Dan (YouTube)

Doctor Who clip of Vincent at the art gallery

Early montage sequence shows:

• Self Portrait (1888)

• Starry Night (1889)

• Vase with 15 Sunflowers (1888)

• Bedroom at Arles (1888)

• Night Cafe in the Place Lamartine in Arles (1888)

• Encampment of gypsies with caravans (1888)

• Langlois Bridge at Arles (1888)

• Fishing boats on the beach at Saintes Maries

• Wheat FIeld with Cypresses (1880)

You can find all these and more at the online Van Gogh museum.

Meanwhile... Could Manos be loosely based on Paul and Vincent?

Jeb and Blake learn all about the riveting world of stock certificates and inheritance law! It may not be the most mysterious episode of In Search Of... but it's certainly one of the episodes we watched.

Show Notes: Orson Welles Critic Clip Lot 249 Texas Pacific Land trust 1980 article The big 2014 Business Insider article Pembroke: http://www.oldlongisland.com/2008/02/pembroke.html http://www.oldlongisland.com/2011/10/pembroke.html http://www.oldlongisland.com/2009/07/pembroke-american-architect.html Pembroke tour (video) Alice de Lamar Failed lawsuit Contemporary article about the case

Nimoy Fashion Alert (red-shift corrected)

The case of the missing hair! Jeb was confounded by this man's barberian style choices.

Jeb and Blake are joined by Sharon Hill to get shook by the San Andreas Fault!

Understanding the Richter Scale (logarithmic)

Link (Netflix) to Earthstorm docu series

YT video clip featuring geologist Dr. Kerry Sieh

Classic Budweiser commercial from the 70s

The Salton Sea

Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power

Nuclear activist Ray Vrana

Peter Gros of Wild Kingdom

San Andreas movie with The Rock (Amz affiliate link)

Cover to guide for SF geological tour:

Dr. Tim Hall - One of the founders of the San Andreas Fault Trail in 1977. Featured in 2011 documentary available on YT.

Dr. Kerry Sieh

The very sexy VT52 from DEC.

NFA San Andreas edition:

In order to understand In Search Of… The Dark Star, Jeb and Blake will first need to get Sirius; Sirius-B, that is!

Links from this episode:

Siris (A part of the Canis Major constellation)

Jeb discussed a couple of evocative artworks: Appeal to the Great Spirit (Dallin)

End of the Trail (Fraser)

North African musket (Moukahla)

Colonial Williamsburg

Hoop Rolling

Jacquard Loom

Punched Cards technology

The Hans Guggenheim art project

Isaac Koi UFO archives

The Tribal Eye BBC documentary series (YouTube)

Regarding Temple, Puhairich, Young, and The Nine

The Sirius Mystery by Robert Temple

Editorial letter about Temple from The Observatory

Dogon Shame by Phillip Coppens

Griaule's Legacy: Rethinking "la parole claire" in Dogon Studies

Pop Culture References (affiliate links):

Conjure Wife - aka Burn Witch Burn

Bewitched

Bell, Book and Candle

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Images:

The "orbit" of the Dogon dark star.

Nimoy posing with a tribal mask - our initial NFA image.

Later we get to see his legs in this seated NFA supplementary:

Hans Guggenheim initially appears in just a vest and pants.

Later, he too is in more of a Safari look, and has a professorial pipe as well.

Dr Gary Chapman, Astronomer

The man who first photographed Sirius B - Dr Lindenblad

A little of the FORTRAN code that powers the orbit animation in the episode:

We don't have enough information to know who made Nimoy's safari clothing, but if you want to try and track down a very close approximation, this example from J. Peterman's (est 1987) is as close a match as I've seen. You would still need to find it in a vintage shop because at present they don't sell these.