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In this episode of In This Together, host Becky Dawson sits down with Chris Misselbrook, CEO of Mind First Education, to explore the vital intersection of high performance and staff wellbeing. Chris shares his powerful personal journey from hitting rock bottom with complete burnout to returning to the classroom as a more effective, happier educator. The conversation dives deep into the "Mental Fitness" framework, challenging the traditional, fear-based leadership models often found in schools.
This episode provides a roadmap for educators and leaders who want to reduce stress without sacrificing professional excellence. Chris outlines nine trainable components of mental fitness—spanning body, brain, and being—to help staff remain resilient under the unique pressures of the education sector. Viewers can expect to learn how to move from "management" to "empathetic leadership".
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Chapters00:00 - Introduction - Becky Dawson introduces Chris Misselbrook and the focus on staff wellbeing.
01:00 - The Road to Burnout - Chris shares his lived experience of chronic stress and his 2018 "fetal position" moment.
04:55 - Returning to the Classroom - Why Chris stayed in teaching for six years after his recovery and performed better than ever.
07:41 - Defining Mental Fitness - An exploration of the nine components across Body, Brain, and Being.
10:40 - Tools for Regulation - Using cold water therapy and breathwork to manage the nervous system.
14:30 - Identity and Perfectionism - How self-belief acts as the keystone to mental fitness and why "faffing" hurts performance.
18:30 - The Comparison Trap - Understanding the evolutionary instinct to fit in and why overworking has become a school norm.
21:14 - Leadership and Psychological Safety - Challenging the "presenteeism" culture and leading with empathy over fear.
31:44 - The Need for Leadership Training - Why being a good teacher doesn't automatically make you a good leader.
In this episode, host Becky Dawson sits down with researcher and academic Lewis Wedlock to explore the complex landscape of masculinity in education. Lewis discusses his work in bridging the gap between academic theory and the lived experiences of young men from marginalized communities. The conversation delves into the "performance" of masculinity, the importance of fostering curiosity over fury, and how educators can create safe spaces for young people to express their true selves.
Lewis shares insights from his book, Masculinity in Schools, emphasizing that supporting wellbeing for boys requires moving beyond binary labels like "toxic" or "healthy". By modeling wholeness and vulnerability, staff can help students navigate the "duality strain" between societal expectations and their authentic identities. This episode is a must-listen for educators looking to implement a more empathetic, relationship-led approach to behavior management and student development.
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Chapters
00:00 - Introduction - Becky Dawson introduces Lewis Wedlock and the focus on wellbeing .
01:01 - Research vs. Practice - The balance between academic data and working with young people .
02:29 - Personal Journey - Lewis’s background in social psychology and lived experience .
05:03 - Masculinity in Schools - Discussing Lewis's book and the current educational climate .
07:53 - Modeling Wholeness - Moving beyond the "black and white" binary of "good vs. bad" .
10:04 - The Performance of Masculinity - Unpacking behavior management and "duality strain" .
13:41 - Curiosity vs. Fury - How to handle challenging ideas without shutting down dialogue .
16:39 - Advice for Non-Specialists - Tips for teachers on facilitating understanding without a script .
21:18 - Communal Invitation - Addressing harm without labeling all boys as "bad" .
28:51 - Intention vs. Reaction - Avoiding "band-aid" fixes for radical change in school culture .
32:13 - Mendable Masculinity - Reimagining the human experience as a "work in progress" .
38:33 - Embracing Humanity - The power of accountability and the relationship between staff and students .
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Positive psychology practitioner and school leader Melanie Gentles joins Becky Dawson to explore how evidence-based wellbeing can transform school cultures. This episode delves into the science of flourishing, moving beyond "fluffy" concepts to practical applications that support both staff and pupils. By prioritizing character strengths and authentic human connection, Melanie demonstrates how schools can move from simply performing to truly thriving.
Listeners can expect an insightful deep dive into Positive Education, a proactive framework that provides tools for navigating challenges while building resilience and happiness. Melanie discusses the "third wave" of positive psychology, focusing on how community, culture, and systems underpin individual wellness. The conversation highlights the vital link between staff wellbeing and pupil outcomes, emphasizing that educators must experience these interventions themselves to create truly safe and supportive environments.
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Chapters
00:00 - Introduction – Meet Melanie Gentles, positive psychology practitioner and school leader.
01:19 - The Journey to Positive Psychology – From educational psychology aspirations to discovering the science of flourishing.
04:53 - The Power of Positive Education – Why wellbeing is a proactive tool, not just a reaction to crisis.
06:06 - Debunking the "Happy" Myth – Understanding that positive psychology isn't about being happy all the time.
07:52 - Discovering Character Strengths – Exploring the 24 universal strengths and the VIA Survey.
10:14 - Beating Languishing – How using strengths helps educators find "flow" and avoid burnout.
12:21 - Strength-Spotting in the Classroom – Practical ways to name and praise character in pupils.
15:51 - A Science of Wellbeing Curriculum – Lessons from Australia’s Geelong Grammar and the PERMA model.
19:32 - Making Time for Wellbeing – Creative ways to embed wellbeing into a packed school timetable.
24:40 - Advice for School Leaders – Moving beyond "cake" to systemic autonomy and coaching.
Evelina Dzimanaviciute, an organizational development consultant and founder of Elite Mind, joins host Becky Dawson to bridge the gap between latest academic research and practical applications in schools. This episode explores how neuroscience and behavioral science can transform staff performance, self-regulation, and mental health. The discussion dives deep into managing stress through ancient wisdom and modern data, reimagining the school environment to boost resilience, and the critical importance of aligning individual values with organizational purpose.
Translating complex science into tangible school improvements, Evelina explains the "Wellbeing Compass" and why educators often hit burnout by failing to listen to their bodies. The conversation challenges traditional views on therapy and coaching, offering a proactive toolkit for building internal resourcefulness. Whether you are a headteacher looking to improve staff retention or a teacher seeking immediate stress-relief tools, this episode provides a roadmap for a healthier, purpose-driven career in education.
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00:00 - Introduction - Becky introduces Evelina and the intersection of science and performance.
01:26 - The Science-Education Gap - Why it takes decades for research to reach schools and the mission of Elite Mind.
03:49 - Understanding the Stress Mechanism - How our "zebra" brains react to modern stressors and imagined scenarios.
06:33 - Box Breathing & Ancient Wisdom - A deep dive into the 4-count breathing technique and its neurochemical effects.
11:12 - Reimagining School Environments - The impact of physical space on teacher resilience and the danger of "blurred boundaries".
14:45 - Bringing the Outdoors In - Using natural light, plants, and grounding to improve neurobiology.
17:03 - The Wellbeing Compass - Measuring the "unmeasurable" through data and behavioral habits.
23:21 - Coaching vs. Therapy - Why combining future-oriented coaching with therapeutic self-awareness is the key to growth.
27:48 - Living and Working on Purpose - Aligning individual values with organizational strategy to prevent turnover.
32:42 - Environmental Influence & Final Thoughts - Knowing when to change a system and when to move to a new environment
In this episode of In This Together, host Becky Dawson sits down with Victoria Bagnall, an acclaimed educator, executive function coach, and author of The Neuro-Inclusive Educator. Victoria shares her journey as a neurodivergent teacher and specialist tutor, explaining how understanding the brain’s "management system" can transform classroom outcomes. The conversation delves into the critical link between executive function and wellbeing, offering a roadmap for shifting from compliance-based discipline to a neuro-inclusive pedagogy that fosters student autonomy.
Victoria explains that executive functions—skills like organization, task initiation, and emotional regulation—are often inhibited when a child is in a "protective state" due to stress or trauma. By prioritizing wellbeing and psychological safety, educators can help students access their prefrontal cortex for higher-order learning. This episode explores how co-regulation, interoception, and explicit strategy modeling can empower all learners, regardless of diagnosis, to become self-aware and independent "self-starters".
TakeawaysVictoria recommends the Smart but Scattered book series by Peg Dawson and Richard Guare, which provides tailored strategies for children, teens, and adults. Additionally, she highlights the Self-Determination Cups activity. In this exercise, students color in "coffee cups" to represent their current levels of belonging, competence, and autonomy. This tool helps educators identify hidden barriers to engagement and design interventions that build students up rather than undermining their sense of belonging through traditional punishments.
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ChaptersFounder and CEO of BRIYM (Building Resilience in Young Minds), Charlie Hartley, and therapist Gem Powell join Becky Dawson and Laiba Sheikh to explore the true meaning of resilience within the education system. This episode delves into how schools can move from a reactive to a proactive stance by implementing a whole-school approach that supports the mental health and wellbeing of students, staff, and parents alike. The conversation challenges common misconceptions about "toughing it out," reframing resilience as a toolkit of techniques rooted in brain development and community support.
Listeners will gain insights into the vital role of professional supervision for educators, ensuring that those on the frontline of pastoral care are regulated and supported to prevent burnout. From managing anxiety through scientific understanding to the "small wins" of supporting students with emotionally based school non-attendance (EBSNA), this episode explores to steps to fostering a safe, inclusive school culture. It emphasizes that wellbeing is not an "add-on" but a necessary foundation for both living and learning.
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Joshua Pelled, founder and CEO of Bright Futures UK, joins Becky Dawson to discuss the profound educational and social challenges faced by young people experiencing long-term illness. Joshua shares his personal journey as a two-time cancer survivor to highlight the critical need for a dedicated support system during medical absences. This episode explores the vital role of wellbeing and belonging in ensuring students remain connected to their community and successfully reintegrate into education.
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Chapters
00:00 - Introduction - Meeting Joshua Pelled and the mission of Bright Futures UK.
01:17 - Personal Journey - Joshua's experience with cancer and the disruption of his education.
03:35 - The Impact Report - Analyzing the data of 279,000 young people missing school.
06:06 - The Power of Belonging - Why staying connected to the school community is vital for mental health.
08:02 - Policy & EHCPs - Discussing the White Paper and the difficulty of accessing statutory support.
11:57 - Education & Advocacy - The hope for the report to educate decision-makers and stakeholders.
14:25 - A Child-Centred Approach - Exploring tutoring, mentoring, and befriending services.
17:41 - Advice for Schools - Practical "easy wins" for educators to support families and students.
21:15 - Looking Forward - The future of reintegration and the impact of dedicated volunteers.
Beth Smithson, an occupational therapist and Director of Lifelong Learning at Sensory Integration Education, joins In This Together to explore the profound link between sensory integration and emotional wellbeing. This episode shifts the focus from diagnosis to the fundamental human experience of how our central nervous system interprets the world to create a felt sense of safety.
The episode explores the physiological responses triggered when a student’s environment feels threatening, moving beyond simple preferences to understand the fight or flight mechanics of dysregulation. Beth highlights how hormonal changes during puberty or menopause can narrow a person's window of tolerance, making universal strategies like predictability, choice, and flight paths essential for a calm and inclusive classroom. By prioritizing co-regulation and recognizing sensory uniqueness, educators can move toward a strength-based approach that fosters a true sense of belonging and wellness for both students and staff.
For more professional development resources and in-depth training on supporting sensory needs in education, visit the Sensory Integration Education website.
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Chapters
00:00 - Introduction to Beth Smithson and Sensory Integration.
01:15 - Defining sensory processing and its link to the central nervous system.
03:17 - The eight senses and the "fight or flight" safety response.
07:07 - Validating sensory uniqueness and the importance of communication.
10:33 - How anxiety and hormones (puberty/menopause) impact sensory thresholds.
15:56 - Using sensory joy and proprioception to activate the parasympathetic nervous system.
18:08 - Universal classroom strategies: Predictability, choice, and control.
20:38 - Establishing "flight paths" and sensory safety spaces in schools.
27:30 - The impact of sensory processing on relationships and school attendance.
32:18 - Building a school culture of belonging through strength-based approaches.
37:58 - Small reasonable adjustments: Uniforms, movement, and the law.
41:11 - Staff wellbeing: Sensory checks and co-regulation for educators.
Join us for a captivating conversation with Alison Waterhouse, an educational psychotherapist and founder of the Circles for Learning project. This episode explores a unique and powerful approach to wellbeing that involves bringing a parent and their young child into the classroom to foster emotional literacy and connection.
In this episode, we delve into how observing a baby’s interactions allows children to witness the living reality of relationships, emotions, and self-regulation. Alison shares how this therapeutic model helps pupils and staff alike understand attachment figures and the secure base necessary for a positive learning environment. By shifting the focus toward proactive and preventative mental health strategies, schools can cultivate a rich ethos centered on communication, empathy, and a deep sense of belonging.
TakeawaysAlison recommends exploring the Solihull approach through Hazel Douglas’s book, Containment and Reciprocity, alongside Scott Barry Kaufman’s sailboat metaphor for a fresh perspective on the hierarchy of needs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r4CFFJdOE0
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Ayse Tanyeri and Kitty Jack-Thomas from Assembly join In This Together to discuss a needs-led, holistic approach to children’s mental health. This conversation moves away from immediate medicalisation to focus on building self-esteem, self-knowledge, and self-acceptance as fundamental life skills. They explore how shifting the perspective from "fixing" a child to supporting their unique wellbeing profile can transform both home and school environments.
We explore practical insights into mobilising parental expertise to create a 360-degree view of a learner's needs, especially regarding sensory processing and emotional regulation. The episode highlights the importance of moving beyond formal diagnostic gatekeeping to ensure every child feels understood and included. By fostering a collaborative partnership and using non-stigmatising language, educators and families can work together to build resilience and emotional stability for every young person.
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Sharing is Caring
Kitty recommends the book Your Child is Not Broken by Heidi Mavir
Don't forget to follow us on your podcast platform and give us a rating and review to help more educators find these crucial conversations. Share your thoughts, comments, questions, or brilliant work by emailing the team at [email protected].
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction: Meeting Ayse and Kitty and the personal origins of Assembly.
04:24 - Proactive Pastoral Care: Shifting from "repair work" to building proactive wellbeing skills.
07:01 - Beyond the Label: Balancing the value of diagnosis with a needs-led approach.
09:03 - The 5-Minute Wellbeing Check: Practical steps for broadening the conversation at parents' evening.
12:50 - Nurturing Self-Acceptance: How Assembly helps children understand their core values and qualities.
18:30 - Sensory Profiles & Systemic Challenges: Recognising when the environment, not the child, needs to change.
23:19 - Mobilizing Parental Insights: Moving from passive involvement to an active wellbeing partnership.
29:36 - Breaking the "Us vs Them" Dynamic: Using non-stigmatising language to build trust with families.
36:04 - Sharing the Responsibility: How co-regulation and communication alleviate stress for teachers and parents.
41:47 - Sharing is Caring: Recommended reading for understanding the neurodivergent experience.
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