Inclusion Bites Podcast

Joanne Lockwood is joined by trainer and inclusion consultant Sarah Burrell to explore what it really takes to create a level playing field in both attitude and action. They discuss why inequality is systemic and historical, and how the language and practice of privilege can be used constructively to empower others and move beyond “lip service” toward measurable change.

Sarah shares reflections from her own lived experience, including navigating a speech impairment, and how that shapes her approach to advocacy, empathy, and creating environments where people can contribute in the ways that work best for them. The conversation looks at disability and work, inclusive communication, and the value of proactively asking about support needs and preferred communication methods.

They also examine hiring and progression: the difference between tokenistic gestures and positive action, the limitations of meritocracy when people start from different points, and the responsibility leaders and organisations have to build inclusion into recruitment, induction, and day-to-day management. Finally, they reflect on how the pandemic accelerated flexible and inclusive ways of working, and what it will take to sustain that progress rather than slipping back to old habits.

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Laurie Morgen joins Joanne Lockwood to talk about autism through the lens that’s often missing from public conversation: being an autistic parent. Drawing on their own family life and the stories shared with them since publishing their book, Laurie explains why “autism parent” is frequently misunderstood and why it matters to recognise autistic people as parents in their own right.

The conversation unpacks common misconceptions that show up in professional settings and everyday life, including assumptions about empathy, relationships, communication, and stereotypes about skills. Laurie discusses how language and vague social conventions can create barriers, especially when professionals expect people to respond to unspoken “tick box” norms. They share personal experiences of navigating school systems, social services, and parenting spaces where indirect communication and judgment can carry real consequences.

Jo and Laurie also explore how workplaces can become more accessible by focusing on the actual requirements of a role, communicating more directly, and reducing overreliance on culture-fit and social performance. Along the way, Laurie reflects on community, isolation during lockdown, and the practical strategies that support their wellbeing, grounding the episode in both lived experience and actionable learning.

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Joanne Lockwood is joined by Dr Jacqui Taylor, a web scientist and IoT innovator, to explore what “leave no one behind” means in practice as technology reshapes society. Jacqui traces her path from aerospace engineering into deep tech and web science, and describes how the internet’s expansion can unlock opportunity when it is designed to be accessible and inclusive.

The conversation looks at how different generations experience the online world, and why inclusion must account for both the connected and the disconnected. They discuss the risks that sit alongside opportunity, including cybercrime, the dark web, deepfakes and misinformation, and what safeguarding can look like during lockdown and beyond. Jacqui shares work focused on supporting young people’s online safety and mental wellbeing, including the idea of a “social guardian” to help navigate online harm.

They also examine the future of work as automation and AI change entry-level roles, arguing for a model where machines handle repetitive tasks while humans bring judgement, context and diverse perspectives. Throughout, Jacqui frames inclusion as a global, community-by-community challenge, referencing advisory work with governments and international bodies and the need for practical digital skills so that progress does not widen inequality. The episode closes with Jacqui sharing free cyber-safety resources and ways for listeners to connect and learn more.

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Joanne Lockwood is joined by accessibility consultant Andy Barrow to explore why public transport still isn’t accessible for everyone, and what meaningful accessibility looks like in real-world travel.

They discuss where physical infrastructure is difficult to retrofit, and why assisted travel often becomes the make-or-break factor. Andy shares how poor processes and inconsistent culture can leave disabled passengers having to negotiate for basic support, from priority seating and bus wheelchair spaces to ramps not being provided at stations. Together they unpack how these situations create anxiety, remove agency, and add hidden “time costs” to everyday life.

The conversation moves from individual incidents to organisational responsibility: designing for equity rather than one-size-fits-all solutions, building plan B responses when things go wrong, and creating a culture where frontline staff feel empowered to solve problems without fear of blame. Andy also shares his personal story as a Paralympian and how sport shaped his confidence and commitment to independence.

Along the way they touch on how language and assumptions shape inclusion, and why listening to lived experience is essential if organisations want to build services that work for a wide range of needs.

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Ruth Fogg joins Joanne Lockwood to unpack what stress is, how it differs from everyday pressure, and why it can build up unnoticed until it starts affecting health, behaviour, and relationships.

They explore how stress can be triggered by stored memories, beliefs and values, and why stigma and workplace cultures that normalise overwork can prevent people from seeking help. Ruth shares practical, self-help approaches she uses with clients and organisations, including education on how the mind works, stress audits, and techniques such as hypnosis, tapping (EFT), and EMDR.

The conversation also touches on lived experience, including Ruth’s hearing loss and how hidden disabilities can add strain in everyday environments, as well as the wider challenges of mental health support and prevention. The episode closes with ways listeners can access further resources and relaxation support.

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Joanne Lockwood is joined by Gillian Jones-Williams to explore why women continue to be underrepresented in boardrooms, and what needs to change for progress to accelerate.

They discuss the structural and cultural barriers that keep leadership teams male-dominated, including bias in perceptions of “gravitas”, expectations around age and readiness, and the experience of being the first (or only) woman in a board environment. Gillian shares what she’s learned from years of coaching senior women, including the extra work many women feel they must do to be heard, taken seriously, and assessed fairly.

The conversation also covers career planning and progression, including how organisations can better prepare women for the jump from senior management to board roles, and why “debiased” recruitment alone may not shift outcomes without deliberate action to widen and rebalance candidate pipelines. Alongside this, they touch on workplace realities that can materially affect women’s confidence and performance, such as menopause, stigma around reproductive health, and the unequal pressures many women faced during COVID-era working.

Gillian also shares her lockdown project: a diary-style book capturing the day-by-day experience of COVID-19 and the effort to keep a business going, written with the aim of raising money in support of NHS staff and their families.

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Joanne Lockwood is joined by Jackie Handy to explore how organisations can make inclusion feel more practical and achievable by focusing on everyday behaviours and language, rather than relying on unconscious bias training as a standalone solution.

They discuss why bias training can sometimes trigger defensiveness or shame, and why inclusion efforts work best when they are part of a broader, ongoing approach that builds understanding, reflection, and action. The conversation looks at privilege, systemic barriers, and the importance of creating safe conditions for people to have honest discussions that may feel challenging.

Jackie and Joanne also examine what proactive allyship looks like in practice, including the courage to challenge harmful comments and the vulnerability to admit what we do not yet know. They reflect on how storytelling can educate while also risking tokenism if organisations treat difference as performance rather than embedding change into culture.

The episode closes with a vision of inclusion and belonging becoming so embedded in organisations that it no longer needs to be labelled as a separate initiative, supported by small, consistent behavioural steps taken by everyone.

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Madeline Black joins Joanne Lockwood to talk about what it took to find the courage to speak publicly about being gang raped at 13, and how shame and fear kept her silent for decades. She describes how victim-blaming culture and gaps in societal and justice-system support can reinforce that silence, and why shifting responsibility back to perpetrators matters.

Madeline reflects on the long-term impact of trauma, including disordered eating, suicidal feelings, anxiety and PTSD, and the gradual process of healing through support and therapy. She shares why stepping into the shame and telling the truth of what happened helped her reconnect with her sense of self-worth and authenticity.

The conversation also explores why speaking out can be contagious: how public storytelling can create connection, inspire others to disclose their own experiences, and build empathy. They touch on online harassment, the increased risks of domestic abuse during COVID-19 lockdowns, and the need for workplaces and communities to create conditions where people can be heard safely.

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Joanne Lockwood is joined by Ling Salter, a former mental health nurse and founder of the social enterprise Compassionate Cuppa, to explore why love, respect, connection and acceptance matter for wellbeing.

They discuss how being truly listened to can create connection and belonging, and how disconnection and unmet needs can contribute to distress. The conversation examines the stigma around “mental health,” why reaching out can feel difficult, and how compassionate, non-judgemental listening can be a first step toward support.

They also reflect on the pressures of an always-on online world and the added uncertainty and disruption brought by COVID-19—from lockdown and shifting routines to anxiety about returning to workplaces and public spaces. Ling shares how her approach focuses on meeting people where they are, exploring what’s possible, and helping individuals reconnect with purpose and acceptance. The episode closes with Ling’s reflections on Reiki as a personal practice that supported her recovery from physical pain, and how it may complement her broader wellbeing work over time.

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Joanne Lockwood is joined by Hend Halim, an HR professional who grew up in Egypt and has lived in Holland and the UK, to explore the tension between cultural norms and shared humanity.

Hend reflects on how early cultural messaging shaped her understanding of LGBTQ+ people, and how education and direct relationships challenged stereotypes. She describes learning to separate morality and character from sexuality or gender identity, and why exposure and dialogue are essential for changing deeply held assumptions.

The conversation also looks at how law, privilege, and workplace culture affect people’s safety and inclusion, including examples of how LGBTQ+ people can face very different outcomes depending on social status. Hend discusses being an ally in practice, the realities of discrimination in supposedly tolerant environments, and simple ideas organisations can use to help employees connect across difference.

They also touch on wider societal context, including Black Lives Matter and colonial history, and how current events such as COVID-19 may shift working practices and expectations in ways that could improve flexibility and inclusion.

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