Inclusion Bites Podcast

Khakan Qureshi reflects on growing up feeling different and on the edges of multiple communities, from school playground dynamics and gender expectations to the pressures of culture, faith, and community norms. He describes how not fitting neatly into perceived boxes shaped his confidence, relationships, and sense of belonging, and how those experiences followed him into adulthood and the workplace.

The conversation explores being gay and Muslim, navigating family expectations, and the impact of stigma and political hostility over time. Khakan shares pivotal moments that strengthened his willingness to speak up, including experiences of homophobia, the legacy of Section 28, and the ongoing debates around conversion therapy and wider LGBTQ+ rights.

Khakan also discusses the role of resilience and support networks, the importance of visibility and role models, and what meaningful social change could look like. The episode closes with his reflections on advocacy within the South Asian community, his recognition with a British Empire Medal for LGBTQ+ equality work, and observations from his work supporting young people where anxiety and depression are increasingly common.

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Joanne Lockwood speaks with trainer, consultant, and disability inclusion advocate Esi Hardy about what it really means for people to feel welcome, valued, and able to belong. Esi explains that inclusion is a felt experience, shaped by whether environments remove barriers or force people to constantly adapt, self-manage, and compensate.

Drawing on Esi’s lived experience as a wheelchair user, they explore how access is created or denied through everyday decisions: venue layout, toilets, transport, signage, staffing attitudes, and the often-unspoken assumptions that disabled people will be accompanied or will accept being treated as an inconvenience. They discuss how these repeated frictions create exhaustion, limit participation, and can feed internalised ableism.

The conversation widens to the importance of co-producing accessibility with people who have lived experience, and to recognising disability as diverse (including sensory, learning, mental health, and invisible disabilities). They also touch on stereotypes about disabled people’s social lives and interests, intersectionality (including LGBTQ+ disabled spaces through Esi’s work with ParaPride), and why accessibility improvements benefit everyone.

They close by reflecting on the gaps in public strategy and long-term support, and the need for sustained action—not just awareness—to build more equitable workplaces and public spaces.

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Joanne Lockwood is joined by Andrew Pain to discuss why domestic abuse must not be tolerated, drawing on Andrew’s experience as a long-term victim in a former marriage and his subsequent campaigning work.

They explore how domestic abuse can affect people of all genders and can include more than physical violence, including coercive control, economic abuse and gaslighting. Andrew explains gaslighting and shares an example of how it can make someone doubt their own judgement, and they discuss how fear, stigma and under-reporting can prevent men from speaking out.

The conversation also covers recognising escalation, the importance of boundaries, and practical language like “stop” and “enough” as early boundary-setting tools for children and adults. They reflect on the challenges of polarised public narratives and the need for respectful, centrist dialogue so that all victims can access support and society can move toward greater equality.

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Hung Lee, curator of Recruiting Brainfood, joins Joanne Lockwood to unpack the pressures many people feel to assimilate when living in a country where their ethnic background is not considered “native”. Drawing on his childhood experiences of bullying and attempts to “fit in”, Hung describes how early rejection can create a powerful drive to belong — and how that drive can lead to two unhelpful extremes: hyper-assimilation or outright rejection of the surrounding culture.

The conversation widens from personal lived experience into how belonging functions in workplaces and societies. Joanne and Hung discuss why organisations can struggle with the promise of being inclusive “for everyone” all of the time, and how polarisation and the “noisy minority” can distort dialogue. They explore ideas like the paradox of tolerance, the role of values and boundaries in any community, and the importance of sustained dialogue rather than defensive reactions when privilege or identity is challenged.

They also reflect on certainty, ideology, echo chambers, and the value of doubt as a tool for healthier debate and better decision-making. The episode closes with Hung sharing how Recruiting Brainfood began as a personal curation habit, and why consistency and community have been central to building an engaged audience over time.

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Michelle Mills-Porter joins Joanne Lockwood to explore what it means to “peel back our layers” and uncover our essence

Michelle recounts being caught in the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami in Sri Lanka, and how witnessing unexpected reactions in herself and others sparked a long journey into understanding what drives human behaviour beneath the surface. She describes developing her work around core subconscious driving forces, and why self-awareness can replace self-judgement when our instinctive reactions surprise us.

The conversation connects these insights to inclusion and belonging at work: how misunderstandings arise when people assume shared “values” are required for trust and collaboration, and how teams can grow when leaders recognise and work with different drivers. They also discuss readjusting after life transitions, supporting people leaving the armed forces, and how the pandemic prompted many to reassess what fulfilment at work really looks like.

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Joanne Lockwood is joined by Iain Chapman to explore what it means to learn to talk, to listen, and to learn, especially from the perspective of someone who describes himself as a white, heterosexual man in his fifties who wants everyone to be able to be themselves.

They discuss how inclusive conversations are built through curiosity, confidence, and a willingness to ask questions without judgement. Iain shares how his upbringing shaped his values, including early experiences around disability and the importance of language, and how workplace initiatives can create space for colleagues to share lived experience.

The conversation also looks at practical culture-building through internal speaker sessions that connect colleagues across an organisation, covering topics such as menopause, domestic abuse, autism, racism and everyday wellbeing. Iain reflects on the challenge of engaging people who resist change, the emotional toll of confrontational online exchanges, and how managing anxiety and protecting mental health can be part of sustaining allyship and inclusion work.

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Joanne Lockwood is joined by broadcaster and presenter Rachel Oliver, a dual UK–Australian national who describes Australia as home and reflects on the winding path that brought her back to the UK. Rachel shares how a background in nursing and an unexpected TV appearance opened a door into radio and podcasting, where she now writes and produces her own shows.

At the heart of the conversation is Rachel’s “stepping stones” idea: how today’s trans people inherit progress built by earlier generations and, in turn, create a safer, fairer future for those who come next. Joanne and Rachel discuss what it can feel like to live under increasing scrutiny, why debates about legal recognition and self-identification matter, and how non-binary people are still constrained by binary documentation systems.

They also explore the personal side of transition and authenticity: the long period many people spend resisting or repressing who they are, the relief that can come with medical transition, and the shift in perspective that follows when privilege changes. The episode closes with practical reflections on navigating the world as a trans person, including travel safety and the everyday anxiety that can arise in public spaces like toilets, alongside a wider call for solidarity across the LGBTQ+ community and for allies to stay engaged.

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Joanne Lockwood is joined by leadership and sales specialist Niels Brabandt to challenge the idea that equality, diversity and inclusion is a “nice to have” in organisations. They discuss how EDI is frequently underfunded and treated as a compliance exercise, and why low-budget, click-through e-learning on unconscious bias rarely creates meaningful change.

Together they explore what leaders are accountable for: investing properly in development, creating safe spaces for honest questions, and recognising the business and human impacts of exclusion. They unpack how hiring and promotion practices often rely on networks and perceived “meritocracy”, reinforcing who gets access to opportunity and who is kept out.

The conversation also touches on cultural competence, reputation risk when senior leaders dismiss bias or use harmful language, and why social legitimacy matters more than titles in modern leadership. They close by arguing for practical, ongoing training and leadership decisions that shift systems, not just statements.

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Joanne Lockwood speaks with Greg McCaw about how DEI work can get stuck in an echo chamber of familiar phrases that sound positive but aren’t always explained in a way that helps non-specialists take action. They explore common terms such as “bring your authentic self to work,” “allyship,” “intersectionality,” and “psychological safety,” and why organisations need to translate these into clear expectations, behaviours, and measurable signals.

They discuss how culture change happens through everyday decisions rather than one-off training, and why DEI efforts can become performative if external statements and campaigns aren’t backed up by employees’ lived workplace realities. Greg argues for focusing on business outcomes, testing and learning, and building reinforcement mechanisms across the employee lifecycle so progress is sustained.

The conversation also covers using data and engagement insights responsibly: breaking results down across different groups to spot experience gaps, asking uncomfortable questions, and using real-time feedback loops to enable managers and leaders to respond quickly. They close by reflecting on hybrid working and the opportunity to redesign culture and employee experience so remote and in-office colleagues have equitable access to opportunity and connection.

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Marcus Cauchi joins Joanne Lockwood to explore what it takes to “stretch imaginations” and move beyond default ways of working that no longer serve people, customers, or organisations. Through stories and practical examples, Marcus argues that received wisdom often survives long after its original purpose has disappeared, and that progress depends on regularly revisiting processes and asking better, more uncomfortable questions.

The conversation focuses on leadership and management: the limits of command-and-control, the link between trust and empowerment, and why many organisations pay lip service to diversity while still punishing difference through “fit” and conformity. Marcus and Joanne discuss psychological safety, constructive conflict, and how better decision-making happens when leaders create conditions for people to have a voice, learn through failure, and collaborate around a shared purpose.

They also dig into patterns that keep workplaces stuck, including ego, attachment, and drama-driven behaviours, introducing the drama triangle and the “winner’s triangle” as tools for healthier interactions. Marcus shares a simple awareness exercise to notice complaining, blame, and rescue dynamics, and outlines what great managers should be hired and rewarded to do: bring in diverse talent, coach rather than tell, remove obstacles, provide resources, and lead inclusively.

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