Inclusion Bites Podcast

Penny Pullan joins Joanne Lockwood to explore what it takes to design and lead workshops and meetings where everyone can contribute their best work. Drawing on her early shift to virtual working after 9/11, Penny explains why effective virtual collaboration is more than simply stacking video calls, and how asynchronous working and better meeting design can be both more productive and more inclusive.

They discuss practical techniques for reducing the drain of back-to-back meetings, creating the right conditions for participation, and avoiding assumptions about what people need. Penny shares a simple planning approach that starts with purpose, then people, and only then process, plus a “magic six” set of meeting start-up questions to clarify aims, roles, ways of working, breaks, and what happens next.

The conversation also highlights inclusive communication and accessibility considerations, from avoiding culturally specific metaphors to checking for participants’ needs such as subtitles for deaf attendees or adaptations for blind participants. Throughout, the focus stays on making workshops work in person, virtually, or in hybrid formats, so teams can turn discussion into action.

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Joanne Lockwood is joined by Neil Carberry to explore why inclusion should be treated as a hard-edged business priority rather than a “nice to have” HR initiative.

They discuss how business performance, productivity, and reputation link to employees being able to bring their whole selves to work, and why leadership accountability matters more than statements or statistics. Neil shares practical reflections on what shifts behaviour: rewarding the right actions, challenging non-diverse shortlists, and building inclusion into line management and recruitment decisions.

The conversation also looks at post-pandemic working, including flexible and hybrid work as an inclusion tool, and what leaders need to do to listen to different workforce experiences rather than defaulting back to old norms. They touch on allyship and responsibility in the wake of events such as Black Lives Matter and Sarah Everard, as well as structural barriers in senior leadership pipelines and board appointments.

Finally, Neil outlines how the REC is encouraging higher standards in recruitment and advising clients to widen talent pools, challenge unnecessary requirements, and translate inclusion data into sustained action during the economic recovery.

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Joanne Lockwood is joined by Stacey Hart to explore what it really means to say that none of us are included fully in the world until all of us are. Together they unpack how discrimination and exclusion harm everyone, and why a “bit of the world” isn’t enough when we’re trying to build safety, fairness and opportunity.

They discuss privilege and meritocracy, including how systems, networks and social conditioning shape who gets heard, believed and promoted. The conversation also looks at how public debates about free speech and “cancel culture” can obscure responsibility and reinforce unequal power.

As the discussion deepens, they touch on gender inequality and violence against women, the role of media narratives, and how race and racism affect which stories are amplified. They also reference mental health impacts in the public eye and in experiences of harassment. Stacey shares her work with the Women’s Equality Party and her creative project Jug Life, which aims to broaden representation by collecting and sharing more diverse personal stories.

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Tom Morley joins Joanne Lockwood to unpack what it means to be “standing in the middle and feeling excluded” — a pattern that began in childhood as the youngest of four brothers, and followed him into adult life. Tom shares how he tried to engineer inclusion by becoming a vocal harmony facilitator, imagining that being the person in the centre would automatically guarantee belonging, only to discover that attention and leadership don’t necessarily translate into real connection.

They explore how authenticity changes the equation: instead of performing for approval or trying to control how others see you, genuine inclusion can come from turning up as yourself, naming what’s true, and allowing relationships to form naturally. Alongside this, Tom and Joanne talk candidly about resilience and mental wellbeing, including experiences of depression, nervous breakdowns, and the practical value of techniques like CBT.

The conversation also turns to pandemic life and work: how lockdown reshaped connection, changed what team-building looks like online, and created new anxieties about returning to workplaces. Tom shares practical ideas for reintegration and trust-building — including check-ins and creating space for people to speak honestly — and reflects on why we shouldn’t rush back to old norms without acknowledging what people have been through.

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Joanne Lockwood is joined by business strategist William Buist to explore whether diversity and inclusion will naturally improve over time, or whether it requires deliberate action. They discuss how legislation can create the illusion that equality has been achieved, while everyday systems and norms still produce unequal outcomes.

William reflects on the invisibility of privilege for those who have it, and why allyship often looks like many small, intentional “nudges” rather than grand gestures. The conversation moves into how networking and referral habits can unintentionally reinforce sameness, and how widening personal and professional circles can create opportunity and learning for everyone.

They examine inclusion and accessibility in both physical and online settings, noting that remote working can reduce some barriers while introducing others. The episode also explores how recruitment and “merit” measures (like years of experience) can embed bias, and why organisations need to redesign processes and culture to make change stick. Throughout, the focus is on practical culture change, dialogue, and building a workplace and society where people are valued for what they bring rather than excluded by outdated assumptions.

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Professor Laura Serrant OBE joins Joanne Lockwood to unpack what it means for “the personal to be political”, and why our everyday experiences of inclusion, exclusion, and being given (or denied) equal chances reflect how society distributes value, resources, and voice.

They explore the power of storytelling as a bridge to empathy, how perspective shapes reactions to the same event, and how group dynamics, belonging, and fear of ostracism can silence people or push them into conformity. Laura reflects on the particular responsibility that can fall on those who visibly occupy minority positions, including the ongoing work of naming what is offensive even when it isn’t personally felt as offence.

The conversation also moves into practical inclusion: asking people what they need rather than guessing, listening for intent and impact, and avoiding “survey fatigue” by ensuring feedback leads to visible action. Laura shares how poetry helps her “download” her thoughts and how her Windrush-inspired poem amplified untold stories, before reflecting on her career and honours as a tribute to the communities, colleagues, and ancestors whose voices shaped her work.

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Joanne Lockwood is joined by wellbeing and stress-reduction specialist Pam Burrows to explore what it really means to “give yourself a gold star” — recognising your strengths, noticing small wins, and stopping the habit of beating yourself up.

Pam explains how acknowledging even minor successes can lift mood and support resilience, and shares practical ideas to help people switch off from the stress “hamster wheel”, sleep better, and create healthier routines during lockdown. The conversation also covers how connection and humour can counter isolation, and why it now takes more intention to build variety and joy into repetitive days.

They also discuss the workplace context: the need for organisational policies and a culture of trust so people can say they’re not okay without fear, as well as the risks of burnout when employees try to operate at 100% while juggling additional pressures such as caring and homeschooling. Pam argues for realistic expectations, supportive leadership, and building both individual toolkits and structural support so people can thrive.

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Mark Lee, a chartered accountant and long-time member of the Magic Circle, reflects on how he spent years hiding his love of magic from clients because he feared it would undermine his professional credibility. Through stories of awkward moments and perceived stigma, he explores how small signals about who we are can shape trust, bias, and whether we feel safe to be fully seen at work.

As Mark moved from accountancy practice into a career focused on speaking, writing, and mentoring, he became more open about his passion and began using magic as a tool to help audiences remember ideas and connect with him as a person. The conversation expands into inclusion more broadly, including gender and representation in magic and accountancy, the impact of stereotypes, and how visibility can filter out prejudice.

Joanne and Mark also discuss identity and discrimination more directly, including Mark’s experience of being Jewish and Joanne’s experience of being transgender. Together they reflect on racism, bias, allyship, and the value of meeting people outside our usual circles to challenge assumptions and create more inclusive environments.

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Joanne Lockwood is joined by Roland Chester for a wide-ranging conversation about identity, labels, and the “hats” we wear in different contexts. Together they explore how intersectionality shows up in everyday life and why being able to bring your whole self to work matters for wellbeing, connection, and performance.

Roland shares his lived experience of being a gay man who once stayed closeted at work, and the shift he felt when he entered an environment where he could be open. He also speaks candidly about being diagnosed with HIV and AIDS, the stigma he encountered, and the impact workplace responses had on his ability to be authentic and on his mental health. The discussion covers myths and current information about HIV, including advances in treatment and prevention, and why education is still essential.

The episode also looks at how people make fast, automatic judgements, the role of unconscious bias, and how “slow thinking” can help us challenge assumptions. Joanne and Roland reflect on inclusion, safety, and belonging across workplaces and societies, including how visible and hidden aspects of identity can affect how people are treated. Roland closes by sharing his work in advocacy and education, including his book and involvement with the Positive Allies charter mark.

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Lauren Chiren joins Joanne Lockwood to talk candidly about how early menopause showed up in her working life long before she had language for it. After a difficult meeting with her boss, Lauren reflects on months of exhaustion, anxiety, palpitations, memory problems and collapsing self-esteem, initially fearing early-onset dementia. A GP later helped her recognise that she was experiencing early menopause, prompting her to ensure other people don’t lose their health or careers through a lack of understanding of this natural life stage.

The conversation explores what perimenopause and menopause mean, the breadth of potential symptoms, and why many people don’t recognise what’s happening—especially when contraception masks cycle changes. Lauren and Joanne discuss stigma and silence around periods and menopause, the ripple effects on relationships and work, and practical ways employers and colleagues can become more informed and supportive.

They also touch on hormone replacement therapy (HRT), the importance of good medical conversations and trusted resources, and how building community and education—through workplace programmes and peer support—can help people navigate menopause with more confidence and less isolation. The episode includes explicit discussion of trans identity and how inclusive language and workplace practices should recognise that not everyone who experiences periods or menopause identifies as a woman.

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