Jody Grunden, CPA, the co-founder and CEO of Summit CPA Group, isn’t afraid to fail — he says he’s done it many times over the years. The firm, now part of Anders CPAs + Advisors thanks to a 2022 merger, is an innovator in several aspects of client billing and payment, from getting away from paper checks to escaping the “rat race” of hourly billing.

Grunden, the author of two books, explains on this episode of the Journal of Accountancy podcast some about Summit’s journey, why his co-founder at first was against a move to remote work, and why his approach to risk is more about developing a workaround than deciding to retreat.