What if every conversation you have is already spiritual, and the real issue is whether you know how to engage it?

In today’s episode, Kris and Ken unpack what it means to have innovative spiritual conversations that are natural, Spirit-led, and rooted in real life. Moving beyond canned approaches and religious jargon, they explore how Jesus modeled conversations that entered people’s life stories, listened deeply, and introduced truth at just the right moment.

You’ll hear a practical framework for understanding the different levels of spiritual conversations, why “faith comes by hearing” is not limited to pulpits or Bible studies, and how milk and meat really work in discipleship. This episode challenges leaders and everyday believers alike to stop forcing conversations and start discerning them, learning how to make the gospel understandable, accessible, and compelling within the context of real human experience.

If you want to grow in discernment, disciplability, and everyday spiritual influence, this conversation is for you.