Inspiring Psychologists Podcast

In this Inspiring Psychologists podcast episode, host Wendy Kendall has conversations with Dr. Matt Cunliffe and Andrea Rotondo about improving financial well-being for psychologists in private practice. They discuss the complex relationship psychologists and therapists often have with money, how to shift mindsets around earning, charging, and making money, building financial confidence, creating multiple income streams, and working with financial partners like accountants and bookkeepers.

Key Discussion Points:

- Challenges psychologists face around finances including lack of relevant training, cultural expectations, anxiety about money

- Tips for feeling more confident setting fees, diversifying income streams, looking at the bigger market

- The importance of working with financial partners like accountants and bookkeepers

- How improving financial literacy and systems can relieve stress and empower practice owners 

About Us:

"Inspiring Psychologists: Breaking the Mould of Private Practice," is a podcast dedicated to sharing the inspiring stories of psychologists and therapists who are pushing the boundaries of traditional private practices and making a lasting impact on the mental health landscape. We invite you to join us in breaking outside the box of a traditional private practice and building a purposeful business that supports you in the life you want to live. To find out more about how we can support you in your private practice journey, check out our coaching and support services at inspiringpsych.com.

Guest Bios:

Dr. Matt Cunliffe a Chartered Sports and Exercise psychologist who specializes in high-performance mindset and coaching. Matt also lectures and mentors aspiring sports psychologists setting out in their careers.

Website: https://www.sportpsychologykent.co.uk/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewcunliffe/

Andrea Rotondo specialises in supporting therapists in private practice to gain simple but powerful knowledge from the numbers in their business, so they can make more effective business and life decisions. She’s a psychology undergraduate, military spouse and runs liquidcentsbookkeeping.com

Website: https://www.liquidcentsbookkeeping.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrearotondo1/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andrea.rotondo/

Connect with Wendy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wendyakendall/

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Key Quotes:

"I always surprise myself that when I look into my accounts and I find something, I'm like, what is that reoccurring payment that's been going out for, like, the past year? And I said, I think, I've not seen that for for a very long time. I need to go and check what that is and just make sure that that's still doing what it should be doing." (Dr. Matt Cunliffe, 00:11:09)

"If I help you be better at managing your finances, you're going to show up better for your clients. You're going to go home and not have to worry about that I pay my bills. Will I have enough? Because it's all related to each other, especially with private practice owners." (Andrea Rotondo, 00:20:58)

"Having some oversight on that and knowing exactly what is going in and going out at any given time is really important. And I I always surprise myself that when I look into my accounts and I find something, I'm like, what is that reoccurring payment that's been going out for, like, the past year?" (Dr. Matt Cunliffe, 00:10:35)

In this Inspiring Psychologist podcast, host Wendy Kendall and Dr. Paula Redmond discuss the important yet challenging topic of burnout and finding balance in private psychology practice. They are joined by guest Dr. Laura Villa to share their experiences and insights around navigating burnout, overwhelm, and healing in the context of building an independent practice.

Key Discussion Points:

Many psychologists enter private practice already experiencing burnout from previous work environments, hoping to find more balance. However, private practice presents its own unique stressors and demands (9:19) The importance of community and social support for combating isolation and burnout risk in private practice (18:44, 27:26) Using models like Compassion Focused Therapy and Polyvagal Theory to understand burnout dynamics and the need for self-care (50:50, 55:54) Building in structures and routines that support the "soothing system" rather than oscillating between "threat" and "drive" (51:25) Valuing intangible self-care while still meeting tangible business needs (54:12) Normalising the realities of private practice - it's hard work and carries responsibilities, but can allow better alignment with values (59:58)

About Us: 

"Inspiring Psychologists: Breaking the Mould of Private Practice," is a podcast dedicated to sharing the inspiring stories of psychologists and therapists who are pushing the boundaries of traditional private practices and making a lasting impact on the mental health landscape. 

We invite you to join us in breaking outside the box of a traditional private practice and building a purposeful business that supports you in the life you want to live. 

To find out more about how we can support you in your private practice journey, check out our coaching and support services at inspiringpsych.com. 

Guest Bios:

Dr. Paula Redmond co host and founder of the popular podcast "When Work Hurts" focused on professional burnout and work trauma. Her psychology practice works with organisations and professionals experiencing burnout, work stress, and trauma.

Website: https://drpaularedmond.com/ Podcast “When Work Hurts”: https://drpaularedmond.com/podcast/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drpaularedmond/

Dr. Laura Villa founded City Living Psychology to help city workers overcome stress and overwhelm, with specialty areas in trauma, ADHD, and neurodiversity. Her practice emphasises the impacts of interpersonal relationships, life transitions and contextual factors like urban settings on mental health.

Instagram: @citylivingpsychologist

Connect with Wendy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wendyakendall/  

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Read Amy Peter's Clinical Psychology doctoral thesis on Well-Being and Burnout in Psychologists here.

Imagine building a private practice that not only sustains you financially but also fuels your creativity and passion in private practice. With TPPA, you can achieve just that! Our next cohort launches in September 2024, ready to take the leap? Visit our sales page or email Wendy directly at [email protected] to get more details and start your journey toward a flourishing practice!

Quotes:

"I had brought with me a mindset of how life had to be structured. And if my private practice is going to be successful, then I need to be adhering to the hustle culture." (14:05)

"The beauty, I think, is you can choose who you want to work with, you can train in your models, you can expand your practice as you wish, and you can always review." (1:01:22)

"There's suffering and pain that comes along with [being human], but I think it means that there's space to respond to that. And that is just so valuable." (1:13:42)

In this introductory episode, psychologist and private practice coach Wendy Kendall discusses "Healing Through Private Practice" and her reasons for choosing this theme for season 2.  

She discusses how private practice can be emotionally confronting for therapists as it surfaces unresolved issues and wounds. Wendy also shares how healing oneself through private practice leads to developing purpose, courageous leadership, and embodying desired change in the world. 

Main Discussion Points: 

- Private practice can be challenging, not just because of business skills, but also because it can be emotionally confronting as psychologists and therapists face their inner obstacles. (01:15) 

- How Wendy went into private practice to create a safe environment and heal from toxic work experiences. (02:45)  

- Working with therapists in private practice over many years, Wendy witnessed their ongoing developmental and healing processes that accompanied their practice growth. (04:38) 

- The difference between business and practice – businesses are built to be able to sell (even if you never plan to) whereas a practice is lifelong expression of self and professional identity. (06:52)   

- A senior psychologist told Wendy that psychologists healing through practice is seen as shameful and source of weakness, so it's not talked about. (09:58) 

- Healing through practice actually leads to purpose and courageous leadership to create change. (14:07) 

- If we want more peace, safety and community in the world, we can build that first in our own practices. (17:49) 

About Us: 

"Inspiring Psychologists: Breaking the Mould of Private Practice," is a podcast dedicated to sharing the inspiring stories of psychologists and therapists who are pushing the boundaries of traditional private practices and making a lasting impact on the mental health landscape. 

We invite you to join us in breaking outside the box of a traditional private practice and building a purposeful business that supports you in the life you want to live. 

To find out more about how we can support you in your private practice journey, check out our coaching and support services at inspiringpsych.com. 

Guest Bio:  

Wendy Kendall is a dual chartered occupational and coaching psychologist and private practice coach. She's a passionate advocate for purpose-driven psychologists and therapists, supporting them to create inspiring private practices. She founded Inspiring Psychology Practices, an organisation supporting psychologists and therapists in private practice through coaching, courses, and community.  

Connect with Wendy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wendyakendall/  

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Are you ready to transform your private practice and take it to the next level? Discover how The Psychology Practice Accelerator (TPPA) can help you create a thriving, hustle-free practice that aligns with your values and passions. Don’t miss out on this opportunity to invest in your future. Click here to learn more and secure your spot today!

Key Quotes: 

"The main person getting in the way of success or whatever that success is for us is ourselves. We are both the main enabler and main source of empowerment, but we're also the person who struggles with our own obstacles." (01:32)   

"There is a fundamental difference between having a practice and having a business...We are, creating a practice that is also an expression of ourselves and our life journey." (06:52) 

"If we want to see a world where there is less conflict...where people can thrive, where they can flourish...All of those things are what we can build into our private practice for ourselves first." (17:49) 

In this transformative episode, host Wendy Kendall, a psychologist and private practice coach, leads a conversation that will change the way you view your psychology practice. The episode dives deep into the question of how mental health practitioners can contribute to the change we need in the world. Wendy explores the concept of shifting from an extractive model to a well-being economy—one that focuses on the prosperity of all individuals while staying within planetary boundaries, instead of pursuing unsustainable growth represented by GDP.

The podcast features two remarkable pioneers who are leading the way in building psychology practices with social and environmental impact: Dr. Tara Quinn-Cirillo, founder of The Conversation Starter Project, and Dr. Rachel Yates, founder of Climate Parenting. These inspiring psychologists share their personal journeys and the transformative steps they have taken to create a well-being economy through their practices.

Throughout the episode, the discussion centers around the challenges of practicing psychology in the midst of global crises. Dr. Quinn-Cirillo and Dr. Yates highlight the collective power mental health practitioners possess to amplify their impact and bring about positive change. Their insights provide hope and inspiration for the future of psychology.

If you're ready to reshape your psychology practice and contribute to creating a better world, this episode is a must-listen. Join Wendy Kendall, Dr. Tara Quinn-Cirillo, and Dr. Rachel Yates as they explore the possibilities of becoming heart-driven leaders and guiding society through a just transition. Let's break the mould of old business models and embark on a path towards a well-being economy together.

About Us:

"Inspiring Psychologists: Breaking the Mould of Private Practice," is a podcast dedicated to sharing the inspiring stories of psychologists and therapists who are pushing the boundaries of traditional private practices and making a lasting impact on the mental health landscape.

We invite you to join us in breaking outside the box of a traditional private practice and building a purposeful business that supports you in the life you want to live.

To find out more about how we can support you in your private practice journey, check out our coaching and support services at inspiringpsych.com.

Links:

Where to find Dr. Tara Quinn-Cirillo:

Where to find Dr. Rachel Yates:

Connect with Wendy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wendyakendall/

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Are you ready to transform your private practice and take it to the next level? Discover how The Psychology Practice Accelerator (TPPA) can help you create a thriving, hustle-free practice that aligns with your values and passions. Don’t miss out on this opportunity to invest in your future. Click here to learn more and secure your spot today!

In this episode of the Inspiring Psychologists: Breaking the Mould of Private Practice podcast, host Wendy Kendall takes listeners on an exploration of the power of relationship building in private practice. Episode 11, "The Power of Relationship Building in Private Practice," offers valuable insights into the pivotal role that authentic connections play in the lives of both therapists and their clients.

Joining Wendy Kendall are three esteemed guests, each bringing their unique expertise and experiences to the table. The trio includes organisational psychologist Taslim Tharani, clinical psychologist Dr Natalie Bodart, and counselling psychologist Dr Vicki Uwannah. Together, they dive into the depths of their respective practices, sharing strategies for fostering meaningful relationships with their clients.

Throughout the episode, the discussion revolves around the impact of relationship building within private practice and the ways in which therapists can create a sense of belonging and connection for their clients. The guests shed light on the often-overlooked aspects of isolation and loneliness that practitioners sometimes expereince, highlighting the connection between these experiences and larger societal issues.

Our guests go beyond the traditional boundaries of therapy and explore the intersection of therapy, community-building, and personal growth. The episode offers valuable insights and practical advice for therapists at any stage of their career, whether they are just starting out or have stablished themselves in the field. The episode serves as a testament to the profound impact of building and maintaining authentic relationships within the practice, both for the therapist and the clients they serve.

About Us:

"Inspiring Psychologists: Breaking the Mould of Private Practice," is a podcast dedicated to sharing the inspiring stories of psychologists and therapists who are pushing the boundaries of traditional private practices and making a lasting impact on the mental health landscape.

We invite you to join us in breaking outside the box of a traditional private practice and building a purposeful business that supports you in the life you want to live.

To find out more about how we can support you in your private practice journey, check out our coaching and support services at inspiringpsych.com.

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Where to find Taslim Tharani:

Where to find Dr Natalie Bodart:

Where to find Dr Vicki Uwannah:

Connect with Wendy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wendyakendall/

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Imagine building a private practice that not only sustains you financially but also fuels your creativity and passion in private practice. With TPPA, you can achieve just that! Our next cohort launches in September 2024, ready to take the leap? Visit our sales page or email Wendy directly at [email protected] to get more details and start your journey toward a flourishing practice!

Episode 10 of the Inspiring Psychologists podcast, titled "From Stigma to Empowerment: Changing the Narrative on Neurodiversity in Private Practice," explores the groundbreaking work of three remarkable psychologists who are challenging traditional norms and perceptions in their practices. Dr. Emma Offord from Divergent Life, Dr. Katie Adolphus of The Adolphus Practice, and Dr. Lola Perez-Gavino from Mind Made Easy share their inspiring stories of supporting neurodiverse individuals and families while promoting empowerment and understanding.

The episode delves into the urgent need for society and the psychology profession to rethink and revolutionise conventional approaches to supporting neurodivergence. The guests emphasise the importance of providing the right support, understanding, and environment for neurodivergent individuals to thrive. They dispel the notion that being neurodivergent means being incapable of holding a job, maintaining relationships, or having a family. They highlight the significance of personalised care, tailored interventions, and the power of a supportive community.

Throughout the episode, the psychologists emphasise the transformative power of changing the narrative around neurodiversity. They discuss the importance of shifting the focus from stigmatising labels to recognising the unique strengths and abilities of neurodivergent individuals. By fostering a more inclusive and accepting society, they aim to empower neurodivergent individuals to lead fulfilling lives and challenge the limitations imposed upon them.

Listeners are invited to join this thought-provoking conversation and gain insights into how they can make a lasting impact through their own work. By breaking the mould of private practice, these inspiring psychologists are paving the way for a brighter and more inclusive future for neurodivergent individuals and their families.

About Us:

"Inspiring Psychologists: Breaking the Mould of Private Practice," is a podcast dedicated to sharing the inspiring stories of psychologists and therapists who are pushing the boundaries of traditional private practices and making a lasting impact on the mental health landscape.

We invite you to join us in breaking outside the box of a traditional private practice and building a purposeful business that supports you in the life you want to live.

To find out more about how we can support you in your private practice journey, check out our coaching and support services at inspiringpsych.com.

Links:

Where to find Dr. Emma Offord:

Where to find Dr. Katie Adolphus:

Where to find Dr. Lola Perez-Gavino:

Connect with Wendy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wendyakendall/

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Don’t let burnout and overwhelm hold you back from creating the private practice of your dreams. The Psychology Practice Accelerator is here to guide you every step of the way. Join our upcoming cohort starting in September 2024. Whether you’re looking to diversify your services, build a supportive community, or enhance your marketing skills, TPPA has you covered. Click here for more information or reach out to Wendy today at [email protected]!

In Episode Nine of the Inspiring Psychologists podcast, host Wendy Kendall discusses the power of collaboration and the role of business psychologists in shaping the future of private practice. She is joined by her colleagues Michelle Minnikin and Rebecca Longman, both business psychologists, for an insightful conversation.

Wendy is excited to have her occupational psychology colleagues on the show, as they have been focusing on clinical and counseling psychologists in previous episodes. Michelle and Rebecca share their journeys and evolutions in private practice. Michelle talks about feeling out of place in traditional work environments and the struggle to create a psychology practice that truly represents her. She found inspiration in the book "Be More Pirate" and with her partner, James, rebranded their company as Work Pirates, allowing them to be more authentic, challenging, and provocative in their approach.

Rebecca also reflects on her career path, freelancing for big companies and eventually finding her role as a consultant in leadership development and training at Mind Gym. She emphasises the importance of individuals taking ownership of their careers and making choices to break free from the control of work. Rebecca's book, "Let's Love to Work," explores this idea.

Discover how these innovative practitioners have forged impactful partnerships with corporations, creating waves of positive change within the workplace. We'll explore the concept of 'positive disruption' and discuss transcending the 'do good' paradigm, particularly for women in leadership roles.

This episode is a must-listen for psychologists looking to shape a private practice that reaches beyond individual clients to impact larger organisations and create lasting, systemic change. 

About Us:

"Inspiring Psychologists: Breaking the Mould of Private Practice," is a podcast dedicated to sharing the inspiring stories of psychologists and therapists who are pushing the boundaries of traditional private practices and making a lasting impact on the mental health landscape.

Are you ready to transform your private practice and take it to the next level? Discover how The Psychology Practice Accelerator (TPPA) can help you create a thriving, hustle-free practice that aligns with your values and passions. Don’t miss out on this opportunity to invest in your future. Click here to learn more and secure your spot today!

Links:

Where to find Michelle Minnikin:

Where to find Rebecca Longman:

Connect with Wendy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wendyakendall/

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In this transformative episode of Inspiring Psychologists: Breaking the Mould of Private Practic, Wendy Kendall engages in a conversation with psychologists Dr. Cat Baverstock, Dr. Kirsty Kennedy, and Dr. Kirstie Fleetwood Mead. Together, they shed light on the significance of integrating movement and mindfulness into psychology practices, particularly within private practice settings.

Our guests emphasise the importance of embracing the body and breath in therapy, especially when working with trauma and childhood memories. They explore the concept of embodied relational therapy, highlighting its connection to Gestalt therapy and stressing the need to avoid separating the body and mind in therapeutic processes. By incorporating the body into the therapeutic journey, therapists can achieve outcomes that are more holistic.

The discussion delves into the value of reconnecting with our bodies and intuition. Wendy Kendall and the participants highlight the need to prioritise our embodied sense of self and challenging external notions of success. They acknowledge the resistance and internalised beliefs that may hinder individuals from embracing this approach while encouraging the act of slowing down, connecting with oneself, and making choices based on personal values and intuition.

The conversation underscores the body's inherent power as a tool for self-regulation, emphasising that balance doesn't rely on external consumption. By embracing our bodies, we cultivate a deeper connection with nature and move away from artificial environments. The participants reflect on the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, where many rediscovered nature and found solace in their local communities.

Reconnecting with our natural selves brings joy but also challenges. Breaking free from societal stereotypes and resistance requires courage and determination. The discussion addresses misconceptions around body-focused practices and emphasises the importance of education and awareness.

This episode emphasises the value of integrating movement and mindfulness in psychology practices. By embracing the body-mind connection, therapists can foster holistic healing, personal growth, and meaningful connections with oneself and the world.

About Us:

"Inspiring Psychologists: Breaking the Mould of Private Practice," is a podcast dedicated to sharing the inspiring stories of psychologists and therapists who are pushing the boundaries of traditional private practices and making a lasting impact on the mental health landscape.

Imagine building a private practice that not only sustains you financially but also fuels your creativity and passion in private practice. With TPPA, you can achieve just that! Our next cohort launches in September 2024, ready to take the leap? Visit our sales page or email Wendy directly at [email protected] to get more details and start your journey toward a flourishing practice!

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Where to find Dr Catherine Baverstock:

Where to find Dr Kirsty Kennedy:

Where to find Dr Kirtie Fleetwood Meade:

Connect with Wendy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wendyakendall/

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Welcome to Episode 7 of the Inspiring Psychologists Podcast, where the focus is on breaking the mold of private practice. In this episode, host Wendy Kendall, a psychologist and private practice coach, delves into the thorny issue of marketing. While there is a plethora of content available on marketing, Wendy highlights the need to strike a balance between marketing and the various roles psychologists play in their practices.

Wendy introduces the concept of creating a simple marketing rhythm—a stripped-down version of marketing that fosters a sense of safety, connection, and visibility. She emphasises the importance of marketing as psychologists and therapists, not only to help as many people as possible but also to communicate our unique perspectives and make a positive impact.

The episode discusses how traditional marketing approaches may not align with the transformational relationships that psychologists strive to build with their clients. Wendy challenges negative messages around visibility and addresses the vulnerability associated with marketing and being visible online. She highlights the need for psychologists to be present in the online space and contribute their informed perspectives.

Drawing from the occupational psychologist perspective, Wendy acknowledges the demanding nature of private practice and the need to switch between various roles throughout the day. Visibility and marketing can feel challenging, given the vulnerability involved and the uncontrolled nature of the online world. However, Wendy proposes a shift in mindset, viewing marketing as an extension of psychologists' existing skills in connecting, sharing, and having conversations.

The episode concludes with Wendy introducing the three core elements of effective connection-based marketing: conversations, sharing content, and connecting with others. She offers a carousel of prompts to guide psychologists in creating engaging content for social media and emphasizes the importance of inviting people to connect as a natural next step in building relationships.

Overall, this episode encourages psychologists to embrace a simplified marketing rhythm that aligns with their values and fosters authentic connections in the online space. By leveraging their existing skills and focusing on conversations, sharing, and connecting, psychologists can enhance their visibility and make a positive impact on a larger scale.

About Us:

"Inspiring Psychologists: Breaking the Mould of Private Practice," is a podcast dedicated to sharing the inspiring stories of psychologists and therapists who are pushing the boundaries of traditional private practices and making a lasting impact on the mental health landscape.

Ready to redefine your private practice and achieve a new level of professional fulfillment? The Psychology Practice Accelerator offers a unique, regenerative approach to help you thrive. Our next programme begins in September 2024. Don’t wait—spots are limited! Visit our sales page or email Wendy at [email protected] to learn more about this transformative opportunity and secure your early bird discount now! 

Links:

Carousel of content prompts in the show notes, designed to help you create engaging content for social media: Download here

The Psychologist’s Marketing Academy

Our Regenerative Marketing Framework

Connect with Wendy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wendyakendall/

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In this episode, host Wendy Kendall invites Michaela Thomas, a qualified clinical psychologist, coach, therapist, author, and speaker, along with Paula Gardner, a former business owner turned coach, author, business psychologist, counsellor, and psychotherapist. Together, they delve into the intriguing realm where coaching and therapy intersect, offering valuable insights and thought-provoking discussions.

Throughout the episode, Wendy, Michaela, and Paula explore various themes related to the intersection of coaching and therapy. They delve into the challenges of working with clients who may resist change, the importance of upholding ethical practices, and the role of coaching in creating lasting connections. They also touch on the concept of burnout and the significance of self-care for both practitioners and clients.

By highlighting the importance of self-reflection, continuous professional development, and the compassionate pursuit of authenticity, Wendy, Michaela, and Paula aim to empower listeners to navigate the complexities of coaching, therapy, and personal growth successfully.

Tune in to this enlightening episode as Wendy, Michaela, and Paula engage in a dynamic discussion, offering valuable insights, strategies, and reflections for professionals operating at the intersection of coaching and therapy.

About Us:

"Inspiring Psychologists: Breaking the Mould of Private Practice," is a podcast dedicated to sharing the inspiring stories of psychologists and therapists who are pushing the boundaries of traditional private practices and making a lasting impact on the mental health landscape.

Don’t let burnout and overwhelm hold you back from creating the private practice of your dreams. The Psychology Practice Accelerator is here to guide you every step of the way. Join our upcoming cohort starting in September 2024. Whether you’re looking to diversify your services, build a supportive community, or enhance your marketing skills, TPPA has you covered. Click here for more information or reach out to Wendy today at [email protected]!

Links:

Where to find Michaela Thomas

Where to find Paula Gardner:

Connect with Wendy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wendyakendall/

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