Gary Kavanagh sits down with Professor David Thunder to discuss his recent article on the UN Migration Pact. They discuss the technicalities of the Pact; the idea of discrimination in migration control, the formation of customary international law; problematic parts of the Pact such as the section calling on governments to stop the public funding of media outlets that 'promote intolerance'; the lack of debate or discussion about the Pact in Irish media and politics and what that says about Ireland.

00:50 - What is the UN Migration Pact and why should we be concerned about it?

02:50 - Why is the idea of a border and migration control that doesn't discriminate a problem?

05:45 - So are you saying the idea of a discrimination free border policy means there can't really be any control over the borders?

12:00 - Defenders of the pact will argue that the document doesn't give any legal rights, and so what's the harm in signing up for it?

15:20 - How customary law becomes law.

19:50 - What do you think of the media coverage we're seeing that is saying that only the far-right has any concerns with this Pact?

25:40 - Point 33.C says discusses, 'The stopping of allocation of public funding and resources towards media outlets that promote intolerance'. Is that not a worrying level of power to give governments over media?

35:30 - Do you think the way that nationalism is talked about by media and politicians is inaccurate and overly negative?

40:00 - Is this Pact really just the product of a global elite who don't feel a sense of place, who don't have that connection to land or a particular geography?

44:45 - Would you agree that the document doesn't seem to place any value on the concept of citizenship or the idea citizens, because they own their country, should be free to decide which foreigners are allowed to live in the country they own?

51:20 - There are really two stories about the Pact. The first is the Pact itself, but the second is the near total lack of discussion and debate about the pact in Ireland. What does that tell us about media and politics in Ireland that something like this can just pass through nearly without comment?