The MSP on becoming an "accidental Green" and how she changed her mind on independence. Gillian Mackay of the Scottish Greens sits down with Lucy and Phil to chat about how she became a politician, what it's like navigating Holyrood as a new MSP, her thoughts on the Bute House agreement with the SNP, and how she moved from being a "No" voter to a supporter of Scottish Independence.

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