The former First Minister on his chats with Humza Yousaf, and how politics became "petty". The team sit down with Lord Jack McConnell, the Labour First Minister for Scotland from 2001 - 2007, where he reflects on his time in power and the state of political discourse today. Lord McConnell talks about how he sees parties lose touch with voters, how politics moved from class-based to identity-based and its consequences, and whether or not he'd accept a role in a Starmer Government if Labour is successful at the next general election.

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