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Well-behaved women rarely make history – as someone once said – difficult women do.

In Difficult Women, Rachel Johnson talks to women who had to be a pain in the backside to get where they are today. In this episode, she sits down with Penny Mordaunt, former Conservative minister for Women and Equalities. You may know her for holding the sword at the King Charles’ coronation or running against Liz Truss in the Conservative leadership race. There is much more to Penny than this. Growing up in Portsmouth, she lost her parents at a young age and cared for her brother whilst he was ill. Her journey into politics is unconventional and frankly fascinating.