Richard Rohr describes James Alison as “Intellectual dynamite and spiritual joy”. N.T. Wright has said, “The lessons he draws are striking and at times controversial, but it's hard to see how one can disagree with him without denying the very foundations of the Christian faith.” While Rowan Williams has praised his work as marked by, “wit, clarity, depth and surprises.” In this episode we explore the reality, “it’s only as you’ve sunk into your complicity that you can be saved.”

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Lee Camp is funny! His new book "Scandalous Witness" is brilliant. Volf says, "With characteristic intelligence, humour, and grace, Lee Camp argues that the American church today has has earned itself the curious distinction of having largely 'destroyed its own witness.'" Drew Hart asks Lee what Jarrod was like as a student in 2001 before discussing Matthew 5:38-48. [leeccamp.com](http://www.leeccamp.com)

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Dr Danny Zacharias is a Cree man from Treaty 1 territory in the lands now called Canada. He serves as Professor of New Testament studies at Acadia Divinity College in Wolfville, Nova Scotia, where he lives with his wife and 4 children. He also serves as a professor with NAIITS Indigenous Learning Community.[DannyZacharias.net](http://dannyzacharias.net)

Dr Mick Pope has a PhD in Meteorology, and is currently completing a Masters degree, examining Genesis 1-2 as a basis for ethics in the Anthropocene. He is the author of three books looking at climate change from a Christian perspective.

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Dr Danny Zacharias is a Cree man from Treaty 1 territory in the lands now called Canada. He serves as Professor of New Testament studies at Acadia Divinity College in Wolfville, Nova Scotia, where he lives with his wife and 4 children. He also serves as a professor with NAIITS Indigenous Learning Community.[DannyZacharias.net](http://dannyzacharias.net)

Dr Mick Pope has a PhD in Meteorology, and is currently completing a Masters degree, examining Genesis 1-2 as a basis for ethics in the Anthropocene. He is the author of three books looking at climate change from a Christian perspective.

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A former Young Australian of the Year, my dear friend Akram Azimi overcame the challenges of a refugee background to study law, science and arts at the University of Western Australia. Raised a Muslim, he has had a keen fascination with Christianity and ‘the man riding a donkey’ that is its central figure. Over the last 10 years, he has taught science and law at W.A. universities and mentored young people from disadvantaged backgrounds. The co-founder of the NGO ‘I am the Other’ he has helped mobilise 25,000 Australians to change government policy on polio eradication which could see polio eradicated by 2018.

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D. L. Mayfield lives and writes on the outskirts of Portland, OR with her husband and two small children. Her first book of essays, "Assimilate or Go Home: Notes from a Failed Missionary on Rediscovering Faith" was released by HarperOne in 2016. Her second book, "The Myth of the American Dream: Reflections on Affluence, Autonomy, Safety, and Power" will be released in April 2020. Her writing has appeared in a variety of places, including McSweeneys, Christianity Today, Sojourners, The Washington Post, Image Journal, Vox, and The Rumpus, among many others. She is trying very hard to be a good neighbor. More from D. L. at [dlmayfield.com/](http://www.dlmayfield.com/)

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D. L. Mayfield lives and writes on the outskirts of Portland, OR with her husband and two small children. Her first book of essays, "Assimilate or Go Home: Notes from a Failed Missionary on Rediscovering Faith" was released by HarperOne in 2016. Her second book, "The Myth of the American Dream: Reflections on Affluence, Autonomy, Safety, and Power" will be released in April 2020. Her writing has appeared in a variety of places, including McSweeneys, Christianity Today, Sojourners, The Washington Post, Image Journal, Vox, and The Rumpus, among many others. She is trying very hard to be a good neighbor. More from D. L. at [dlmayfield.com/](http://www.dlmayfield.com/)

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Rev. Dr. Otis Moss III has freedom preaching power in his DNA. The son of Civil Rights legend Rev. Dr. Otis Moss Jr., “OM3” is to his father as Kendrick Lamar is to John Coltrane: a Hop-Hop improvisation on genius contributing to new forms of greatness for a new generation. He is the Senior Pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, a phenomenal foretaste of God’s reign on the South Side of Chicago, that Michelle Obama has recently reminded us in her memoir is where she and Barack Obama worshipped and were married. Yet Trinity is not just a church community that contributes to the formation of Presidents. Through the guidance of Rev Dr Otis Moss III, Trinity continues to be a living continuation of the civil rights movement that is ‘unapologetically black, unashamedly Christian’. OM3’s anointed preaching is unashamed in calling people to Christ and calling society to respond to the injustice of mass incarceration, environmental degradation, and economic inequality. In this episode Drew and Jarrod discuss with Rev. Dr. OM3 Isaiah 58 and reveal the name of Kat and Jarrod’s brand new baby boy.

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Join Jarrod weekly in worship with Trinity online to hear OM3: [trinitychicago.org](http://www.trinitychicago.org)

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In lockdown? Got kids? We consider Deut. 6:4-9 with my dear friends Lusanda and Mahlatse Mashua from RZIM South Africa and Luke Norsworthy from Newsworthy with Norsworthy.

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We love Kelley Nikondeha. Her new book “DEFIANT: What the Women of Exodus Teach Us about Freedom” is out today. Get it!:

[Kelley's book](http://www.amazon.com/Defiant-Women-Exodus-Teach-Freedom/dp/0802864295)

As well as being a theologian and writer, Kelley co-director of [Communities of Hope](http://www.facebook.com/Communities-of-Hope-204498546283015/), a community development enterprise in Burundi. [kelleynikondeha.com](http://kelleynikondeha.com/)

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