As the science piles up showing meat consumption has a devastating impact on our planet, can the meat industry hide the damage it is causing to the earth and to our health? Dr. Michel Gregor joins Thom with the science that shows how eating animals created the Covid pandemic and many others, including HIV.

Plus Roger Hallam, founder of the worldwide movement Extinction Rebellion is here. Can we possibly imagine the horrors we risk if we don't stop the destruction of our life support system on earth?

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