This week on Nerdette, we feature two of our favorite interviews from 2022, both with people who work to find hope and joy in tandem with difficulty and grief.

First up is Dylan Marron, whose book ‘Conversations with People Who Hate Me’ is based on what he learned from his podcast with the same name.

Then, poet Ross Gay reflects on an often overlooked emotion in his newest book, ‘Inciting Joy.’

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