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If you've ever thought "how would I handle sitting down with someone who is part of the same marginalized community but has different viewpoints than me," then Andrew's conversation with Michela Griffo is that conversation you needed. First, Michela is a lesbian force to be reckoned with! She is not only a prolific lesbian artist, whose current exhibit "The Price We Pay" is being shown at Pen + Brush, but she was one of the original members of the Gay Liberation Front (yes, the group that Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera were part of). This is a rare moment in which Michela, who was in NYC during the Stonewall Uprising (1969) and part of the first Gay Pride March (June 28, 1970), reflects back on these watershed moments while also having an extremely nuanced intergenerational conversation with Andrew (who is 30).
Andrew asks Michela to reflect on her coming out story, going to the Mafia owned Lesbian Bars, and how all of her activism led to her artistic life. And then Andrew asks Michela a question that will have many of you wanting to weigh in. He asks "Why is it a problem for you to be labeled as queer"? This is such a pivotal question for Michela since she is extremely concerned with the divide that currently exists in the LGBTQ+ community. Don't worry Michela addresses that while some may agree with her views, many will try to label her as a TERF or cancel her. But guess what, we're going to air the entire interview, including another bonus episode that is available on our Patreon, because it's important to have an uncensored conversation.
Andrew and Michela prove that nuanced discussions, where room for disagreement is made, allows for them to learn where the other is coming from and debate is healthy and necessary to bridge the divide in the LGBTQ+ community.
See Michela's exhibit "The Price We Pay" at Pen + Brush (29 East 22nd Street, New York, NY) and look at it online here: https://www.penandbrush.org/exhibition/michela-griffo-the-price-we-pay/
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