In this conversation, Jason and his uncle, Jack Haberer, discuss Jack's journey in ministry and his new book, Swimming with Sharks: Leading The Full Spectrum Church In A Red And Blue World.

The book addresses the polarization within American Christianity and offers insights on fostering unity across denominations and ideologies.

They explore the importance of speaking the truth in love and embracing a full spectrum approach to church, where all voices are heard and valued.

They also discuss the need to go beyond dualistic thinking and embrace the revelation of God's love and grace. The conversation highlights the significance of understanding the true nature of Jesus and applying his teachings in a politically divided world.

For more information on Jack Haberer:

Website www.jackhaberer.com

Podcast intro and outro music by Wilde Assembly