AI is worming its way into every corner of our lives, and now Google and OpenAI are knocking on the White House’s door, asking for permission to train their models on copyrighted material. Yep, they want to feed the machines your favorite books, songs, and scripts...all without paying the people who made them.

So what does that mean for artists, writers, and creatives who still rely on, you know, being paid for their work?

Journalist Jacob Ward joins us to break down how this could reshape (or bulldoze) the creative industries. Are we about to hand over human creativity to the algorithm overlords? Or is there still room for actual people in a world increasingly built by bots?

Let’s get into it—before the machines write this show, too.

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