In Genesis 28:10-19, Jacob goes to sleep, but he doesn't just wake up physically, he wakes up spiritually as well. Pastor Jonathan Bourman joins Bill to discuss how the Lord is always with us. Later, pastor Dean Inserra shares from his new book "A Short Guide to Church" as he explains why the local church was always God's design and how it displays his glory.

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*This conversation originally took place on September 6, 2024