Jake and Jonathan

Jake and Jonathan

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Jake and Jonathan episodes

  • 62: Let's Talk Product Strategy
    Jake & Jonathan kick-off the first episode of the new year by diving _straight into_ prod… no, they start by rambling for a good long while. But it’s good rambling: new year goals, journaling, setting OKRs, and Jonathan’s mom meets a random Irish guy that knows Jake. šŸ˜‚ But then! Then Jake and Jonathan talk about a super interesting article about advertising business models and going beyond them. It’s a good one! šŸ¤‘
    Links
    [OKR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OKR)
    Fedor (designer at AJ&Smart) on [Twitter](https://twitter.com/shkliarau), [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/shkliarau/)
    [Outgrowing Advertising: Multimodal Business Models as a Product Strategy by Connie Chan](https://a16z.com/2018/12/07/when-advertising-isnt-enough-multimodal-business-models-product-strategy/)
    [When AI is the Product: The Rise of AI-Based Consumer Apps
    by Connie Chan](https://a16z.com/2018/12/03/when-ai-is-the-product-the-rise-of-ai-based-consumer-apps/)
    [Connie Chan on Twitter](https://twitter.com/conniechan)
    [Andreesen Horowitz](https://a16z.com/)
    [Andreesen Horowitz (A16z) podcast](https://a16z.com/podcasts/)
    [Andreesen Horowitz (A16z) on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9cn0TuPq4dnbTY-CBsm8XA)
    [**Book:** The Hard Thing About Hard Things: Building a Business When There Are No Easy Answers by Ben Horowitz](https://www.amazon.com/Hard-Thing-About-Things-Building/dp/0062273205)
    [Stratechery](https://stratechery.com/)
    [TikTok](https://www.tiktok.com/)
    [Seth Godin](https://www.sethgodin.com/)
    [Malcom Gladwell](https://www.newyorker.com/contributors/malcolm-gladwell)
    [Buy Sprint!](https://www.thesprintbook.com/buy/) šŸ“˜šŸƒā€ā™€ļø
    [Buy Make Time!](https://maketimebook.com/buy/) šŸ“—ā°
    [**AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass**:](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass)[ajsmart.com/masterclass](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass) šŸ„‡šŸ“¹
    **Your Hosts:**
    * Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: [@jakek](https://twitter.com/jakek)
    * Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: [@jicecream](https://www.instagram.com/jicecream/)
    * Write into the podcast: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
    * Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: [PodcastTech.com](https://PodcastTech.com)
    * Show notes by Amr Khalifeh. IG: [@amrkhalifeh](https://www.instagram.com/amrkhalifeh/)
    * [Follow the podcast on Medium](https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial)
    1 hr 20 min
  • 60: Life Lessons Learned (2018)
    Strap in for the end of the year extravaganza! The episode, appropriately, starts off with favorite breakfast sandwiches of
    🄪 Jake and Jonathan would love for you to invite them to your country and show them around! šŸŒShould designers make a good personal website in today’s social-first world? No! Or.. maybe yes. Although… šŸ¤” Jake and Jonathan share some painful lessons they’ve learned this year. 😬 Finally, the episode ends on a high note with a story from Jake. šŸ€
    **Links:**
    [Nintendo Switchā„¢](https://www.nintendo.com/switch/)
    [Mario Kartā„¢ 8](https://mariokart8.nintendo.com/)
    [PBC #49: MONA PATEL on Starting and Growing a Multi Million Dollar Design Agency](https://medium.com/p/b7b78b26250a?source=your_stories_page---------------------------)
    [PBC #X: Jason Fried gives us SAVAGE Product Advice](https://medium.com/p/316df7c11c93?source=your_stories_page---------------------------)
    [Become A Facebook-Free Business—DHH—Signal v. Noise](https://m.signalvnoise.com/become-a-facebook-free-business-5bfefc20c09d)
    [Room of Requirement](http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Room_of_Requirement)
    [Chloe’s Cafe](https://www.yelp.com/biz/chloes-cafe-san-francisco)
    [KRONEā€Šā€”ā€Škitchen & coffee (Berlin)](http://www.krone-berlin.com/)
    [Bonanza Coffee (Berlin)](https://bonanzacoffee.de/wordpress/)
    [Tove Jansson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tove_Jansson)
    [Kevin Rose ⛩ (@kevinrose) Ā· Twitter](https://twitter.com/kevinrose)
    [Dirty T](https://www.instagram.com/timhoefer/)
    [Chris Do](https://www.thefutur.com/the-futurists/chris-do/)
    [jonathancourtneyux.com](http://jonathancourtneyux.com)
    [uxmessiah.com](http://uxmessiah.com/)
    [conversionmessiah.com](http://conversionmessiah.com/)
    [Andrew Kim (@mnmllymnml)—Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/mnmllymnml)
    [Ray Dalio: A Meaningful Life | The James Altucher Show, Ep. 290](https://jamesaltucher.com/podcast/ray-dalio-principles-for-investing-in-meaningful-life/)
    [**Book:** Principles: Life and Work by Ray Dalio](https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Life-Work-Ray-Dalio/dp/1501124021/)
    [331 Ryan Holidayā€Šā€”ā€ŠBehind the Conspiracy— James Altucher](https://jamesaltucher.com/podcast/ryan-holiday-331/)
    [**Book:** Atomic Habits by James Clear](https://www.amazon.com/Atomic-Habits-James-Clear/dp/1847941834)
    [**Book:** Radical Candor: Be a Kick-Ass Boss Without Losing Your Humanity by Kim Scott](https://www.amazon.com/Radical-Candor-KIM-SCOTT/dp/1509845380/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1545606877&sr=8-1)
    [Form: Growth consultancy for creative and tech businesses](https://www.form.studio/)
    [**Book:** Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor E. Frankl](https://www.amazon.com/Mans-Search-Meaning-Viktor-Frankl/dp/080701429X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1545607029&sr=8-1&keywords=-+Man+search+for+meaning)
    [**Book:** Ready Player One: A Novel by Ernest Cline](https://www.amazon.com/Ready-Player-One-Ernest-Cline/dp/0307887448/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1545607066&sr=8-3&keywords=ready+player+one)
    Send Jake a message: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
    **Omnipresent Links:**
    [Buy Sprint!](https://www.thesprintbook.com/buy/) šŸ“˜
    [Buy Make Time!](https://maketimebook.com/buy/) šŸ“—
    [**AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass**:](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass)[ajsmart.com/masterclass](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass) šŸ‘€
    **Your Hosts:**
    * Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: [@jakek](https://twitter.com/jakek)
    * Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: [@jicecream](https://www.instagram.com/jicecream/)
    * Write into the podcast: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
    * Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: [PodcastTech.com](https://PodcastTech.com)
    * Show notes by Amr Khalifeh. IG: [@amrkhalifeh](https://www.instagram.com/amrkhalifeh/)
    * [Follow the podcast on Medium](https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial)
    1 hr 38 min
  • 59: Berlin vs Silicon Valley (5-star episode)
    Jake & Jonathan are back together in this one. Amdist all the interviews this year, it’s like a special episode when Jake & Jonathan actually talk to each other! In this one, they read listener email… Everyone loves the show. Boring. JK. Thank you everyone! 😘 Then there’s some talk about teeth. Finally, the episode wraps up by pitting Berlin vs. San Fran! 🄊
    **Links:**
    [PBC #55: Design Sprints DON’T WORK! (not clickbait)](https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial/pbc-55-design-sprints-dont-work-not-clickbait-3beed24c05ca)
    [Why I am breaking up with design sprints](https://www.reason.co/blog/breaking-up-with-design-sprints/)
    [Eli Schiff (@eli_schiff)](https://twitter.com/eli_schiff)
    [Humans of Flat Design (@HumansOfFlat) | Twitter](https://twitter.com/humansofflat)
    **Omnipresent Links:**
    [Buy Sprint!](https://www.thesprintbook.com/buy/) šŸ“˜
    [Buy Make Time!](https://maketimebook.com/buy/) šŸ“—
    [**AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass**:](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass)[ajsmart.com/masterclass](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass) šŸ‘€
    **Your Hosts:**
    * Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: [@jakek](https://twitter.com/jakek)
    * Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: [@jicecream](https://www.instagram.com/jicecream/)
    * Write into the podcast: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
    * Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: [PodcastTech.com](https://PodcastTech.com)
    * Show notes by Amr Khalifeh. IG: [@amrkhalifeh](https://www.instagram.com/amrkhalifeh/)
    * [Follow the podcast on Medium](https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial)
    35 min
  • 58: 1 MILLION DESIGN SPRINTS IN ICELAND

    Baby popped out! šŸ‘¶šŸ» She’s cute. šŸ˜ A guy is chased by a tiger then he dies. ā˜ ļø

    Jake interviews Andri Kristinsson. Andri is the founder of Travelade and Icelandic Startups, and is a guest lecturer at Reykjavik University where he organized and ran a gigantic design sprint. Jake & Andri talk about the challenges with doing such a huge sprint, in addition to expanding on Andri’s previous & current projects.

    Links:

    Reykjavik University: Design Sprints with over 460 students in 92 teams

    Reykjavik University

    Andri Heiưar Kristinsson (LinkedIn)

    Travelade: Discover Meaningful Experiences

    Andri on Travelade

    Airbnb Experiences

    Vignir Gudmunds

    Omnipresent Links:

    Buy Sprint! šŸ“˜

    Buy Make Time! šŸ“—

    AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass:ajsmart.com/masterclass šŸ‘€

    Your Hosts:

    • Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: @jakek
    • Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: @jicecream
    • Write into the podcast: [email protected]
    • Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: PodcastTech.com
    • Show notes by Amr Khalifeh. IG: @amrkhalifeh
    • Follow the podcast on Medium
    • 37 min
    • 57: Inside LEGO with design leader Tara Wike
      Jonathan has moved on. Jakes interviews [tara wike](https://medium.com/u/8d602f68bd49), Senior Design Manager at LEGO, the wooden toys company, and manages [LEGO Ideas](https://ideas.lego.com). Jakes asks Tara about her move to Denmark. Learning Danish. æ ø Ä. Eating a hot dog & drinking chocolate milk. Applying for jobs. Odd jobs. Designing minifigs. And some sage advice at the end!
      **Links:**
      [Microsoft Encarta (Wikipedia)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encarta)
      [LEGO](https://www.lego.com)
      [LEGO Ideas](https://ideas.lego.com)
      [LEGO Idea (formerly Cuusoo) (Wikipedia)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_Ideas)
      [LEGO minifigure (Wikipedia)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_minifigure)
      [Rhino](https://www.rhino3d.com/)
      [LEGO Voltron](https://shop.lego.com/Voltron)
      [LEGO NASA Apollo Saturn V](https://shop.lego.com/LEGO-NASA-Apollo-Saturn-V-21309)
      [DK LEGO Books](https://www.dk.com/uk/category/lego/)
      [LEGO Women of NASA](https://shop.lego.com/en-CA/Women-of-NASA-21312)
      [**AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass**:](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass)[ajsmart.com/masterclass](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass) šŸ‘€
      [Buy Sprint!](https://www.thesprintbook.com/buy/) šŸ“˜
      [Buy Make Time!](https://maketimebook.com/buy/) šŸ“—
      **Your Hosts:**
      * Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: [@jakek](https://twitter.com/jakek)
      * Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: [@jicecream](https://www.instagram.com/jicecream/)
      * Write into the podcast: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
      * Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: [PodcastTech.com](https://PodcastTech.com)
      Show Notes (fan made by [@amrkhalifeh](https://www.instagram.com/amrkhalifeh/)): https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial
      1 hr 15 min
    • 56: Best Books 2018
      Happy podbirthday! šŸŽ‰ It’s the podcast’s 1 year birthday. šŸ‘¶šŸ»
      Help the podcast get to 10,000 listeners by sharing it on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and [rating it on iTunes (click here to go to the iTunes Store and rate it)](https://itunes.apple.com/de/podcast/the-product-breakfast-club/id1320916842?l=en&mt=2&i=1000395595606)!
      Get ready for a whole bunch of book recommendations! (All in the links below) Although Jake and Jonathan only get to the book recommendations around the 40-minute mark, so don’t hold your breath. Or hold it for 40 minutes. Whichever is easier for you. 🌬
      Before getting to the book recommendations, Jake and Jonathan talk about a few things: Jake interviewing [Julie Zhuo](https://medium.com/u/b8a4e5ae7490), Jake’s podcast journal (JAKEPODS!), the economy of Red Dead Redemption 2… which leads into a deeper topic of how to stay excited about what’s next in life! Failure sucks. Enjoy!
      **Links:**
      [Julie Zhuo](https://medium.com/u/b8a4e5ae7490) on Medium
      [juliezhuo.com](http://juliezhuo.com/)
      [Something Seems Very Wrong With Red Dead Redemption 2’s Economy—Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2018/10/31/something-seems-very-wrong-with-red-dead-redemption-2s-economy/#159489f81b21)
      [Limited Edition: Product Breakfast Club Tees](https://represent.com/store/aj-smart-store) šŸ‘•
      [Joe Rogan Experience #1198ā€Šā€”ā€ŠDerren Brown](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_tpWrv76Q8)
      [**BOOK:** The Obstacle is the Way: The Ancient Art of Turning Adversity to Advantage by Ryan Holiday](https://www.amazon.com/Obstacle-Way-Ancient-Adversity-Advantage/dp/1781251495)
      [**BOOK:** The Power of Moments: Why Certain Experiences Have Extraordinary Impact by Chip and Dan Heath](https://www.amazon.com/Power-Moments-Certain-Experiences-Extraordinary/dp/0593079264/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1543165729&sr=1-1)
      [**BOOK:** This Is Marketing: You Can’t Be Seen Until You Learn to See by Seth Godin](https://www.amazon.com/This-Marketing-Cant-Until-Learn/dp/0525540830/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543165778&sr=1-1&keywords=this+is+marketing)
      [sethgodin.com](https://www.sethgodin.com/)
      [Jason Fried on Medium](https://medium.com/@jasonfried)
      [**BOOK:** Red Rising](https://www.amazon.com/Red-Rising-Pierce-Brown/dp/034553980X)
      [**BOOK:** The Broken Earth Trilogy: The Fifth Season, The Obelisk Gate, The Stone Sky](https://www.amazon.com/Broken-Earth-Trilogy-Season-Obelisk/dp/031652719X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543166156&sr=1-1&keywords=The+Fifth+Season+%28Stone+Sky%29)
      [**BOOK:** All Systems Red: The Murderbot Diaries](https://www.amazon.com/All-Systems-Red-Murderbot-Diaries/dp/0765397536/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543166223&sr=1-1&keywords=All+Systems+Red+Martha+Wells)
      [**BOOK:** The Gone World](https://www.amazon.com/Gone-World-Tom-Sweterlitsch/dp/0425278905/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1543166327&sr=1-1)
      [**BOOK:** 1984](https://www.amazon.com/1984-George-Orwell/dp/0452262933/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1543166357&sr=1-1)
      [**BOOK:** Slaughterhouse-Five](https://www.amazon.com/Slaughterhouse-Five-Novel-Modern-Library-Novels/dp/0385333846/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1543166398&sr=1-1)
      [**BOOK:** The Road](https://www.amazon.com/Road-Cormac-McCarthy/dp/0307387895/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543166459&sr=1-1&keywords=The+Road)
      [**BOOK:** Harry Potter Paperback Box Set (Books 1–7)](https://www.amazon.com/Harry-Potter-Paperback-Box-Books/dp/0545162076/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543166473&sr=1-3&keywords=harry+potter)
      [**BOOK:** Wool](https://www.amazon.com/Wool-Hugh-Howey/dp/1476733953)
      [**BOOK:** Rework by Jason Fried and DHH](https://www.amazon.com/Rework-Jason-Fried/dp/0307463745/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543166570&sr=1-1&keywords=ReWork)
      [**BOOK:** Hooked by Nir Eyal](https://www.amazon.com/Nir-Eyal-Hooked-Building-Habit-Forming/dp/B00N4GP2KK/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1543166596&sr=1-1)
      [**BOOK:** The Martian](https://www.amazon.com/Martian-Andy-Weir/dp/0553418025/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543166626&sr=1-1&keywords=the+martian)
      [**BOOK:** Gone Girl](https://www.amazon.com/Gone-Girl-Gillian-Flynn/dp/0307588378/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543166645&sr=1-1&keywords=Gone+Girl)
      [**BOOK:** State of the Art](https://www.amazon.com/State-Art-Ian-Banks/dp/1857230302/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543166666&sr=1-1&keywords=Ian+Banks+State+of+the+Art)
      [**BOOK:** Look to Windward](https://www.amazon.com/Look-Windward-Culture-Iain-Banks/dp/145162168X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543166708&sr=1-1&keywords=Look+to+Windward)
      [The Tim Ferriss Show](https://tim.blog/podcast/)Ā 
      [Jocko Podcast](http://jockopodcast.com/)
      [Astro Tellerā€Šā€”ā€ŠMoonshot 10X Thinking (YouTube)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C-VWkS7FUA)
      [**AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass**:](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass)[ajsmart.com/masterclass](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass) šŸ‘€
      [Buy Sprint!](https://www.thesprintbook.com/buy/) šŸ“˜
      [Buy Make Time!](https://maketimebook.com/buy/) šŸ“—
      **Your Hosts:**
      * Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: [@jakek](https://twitter.com/jakek)
      * Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: [@jicecream](https://www.instagram.com/jicecream/)
      * Write into the podcast: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
      * Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: [PodcastTech.com](https://PodcastTech.com)
      Show Notes (fan made by [@amrkhalifeh](https://www.instagram.com/amrkhalifeh/)): https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial
      1 hr 11 min
    • 55: Design Sprints DON’T WORK! (not clickbait)
      Jake & Jonathan finally reveal that the Design Sprint has been one gigantic SCAM! It’s crazy how the book sold so much and how much money Jonathan has been able to get from selling it to clients! Also in today’s episode:
      Design sprints aren’t for every problem. They won’t help you with your constipation. šŸ’©
      People fun. Baby’s not here. Secret videos. Still stuck in a bucket? Red Dead. Tees. Happy podbirthday? šŸŽ‰
      Jake & Jonathan discuss articles that ATTACK the design sprint. (All linked below)Ā 
      **Links:**
      [Rate the show on iTunes šŸ’¦šŸ’¦šŸ’¦šŸ’¦šŸ’¦](https://itunes.apple.com/de/podcast/the-product-breakfast-club/id1320916842?l=en&mt=2&i=1000395595606)
      [LIMITED EDITION: PRODUCT BREAKFAST CLUB TEES!!!](https://represent.com/store/aj-smart-store) šŸ‘•
      [Article 1: Design Sprints Are Snake Oilā€Šā€”ā€ŠMule Design Studio](https://medium.com/mule-design/design-sprints-are-snake-oil-fd6f8e385a27) šŸ
      [Article 2: When a design sprint isn’t the answerā€Šā€”ā€ŠInVision](https://www.invisionapp.com/inside-design/design-sprint-wont-work/)ā“
      [Article 3: Why I am breaking up with design sprints](https://www.reason.co/blog/breaking-up-with-design-sprints/) šŸ’”
      [Rob](https://www.instagram.com/robhamblen/),Ā [Tim](https://www.instagram.com/timhoefer/), andĀ [Fedor](https://www.instagram.com/shkliarau/) šŸ‘ØšŸ»ā€šŸŽØ
      [Why Do Design Thinking Projects Fail? Innovation Advice—YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSCdU60LZbc) šŸ‘Ž
      [User Research is Overrated—Jonathan Courtney—Muzli](https://medium.muz.li/user-research-is-overrated-6b0fe101d41) 😱
      [AJ&Smart on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeB_OpLspKJGiKv1CYkWFFw) šŸ’‹
      [Buy Sprint!](https://www.thesprintbook.com/buy/) šŸ“˜
      [Buy Make Time!](https://maketimebook.com/buy/) šŸ“—
      [Check out,Ā _nay_, GO BUY theĀ **AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass**:](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass)[ajsmart.com/masterclass](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass) šŸ‘€
      **Your Hosts:**
      * Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: [@jakek](https://twitter.com/jakek)
      * Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: [@jicecream](https://www.instagram.com/jicecream/)
      * Write into the podcast: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
      * Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: [PodcastTech.com](https://PodcastTech.com)
      Show Notes (fan made by [@amrkhalifeh](https://www.instagram.com/amrkhalifeh/)): https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial
      47 min
    • 54: How To Control Your STUPID Face
      First things first: [**PRODUCT BREAKFAST CLUB TEESHIRTS ARE HERE!!!**](https://represent.com/store/aj-smart-store) 😱
      Ok, back to normal now. Please only continue if you’ve bought a t-shirt. How many did you buy..?! We love you all. But we love the ones who bought the t-shirts more. Just kidding. Maybe.Ā 
      Aside from the stuff in the links section, here are few things Jonathan & Jake touch on in this episode:Ā 
      Semen is how Jonathan came to be. But also his Instagram..?! šŸ’¦
      Emoji update: šŸ’¦ šŸ¦”šŸ§šŸ»ā€šŸ™‡šŸ»ā€
      Jonathan's leg is stuck in a bucket. Not his real leg. His other leg. šŸ¦µšŸ»
      Where will Jake & Jonathan be in 20 years? šŸ‘“šŸ»
      Some stuff about product marketing. šŸ’‹
      People fun. Just… people fun. People. Fun. šŸ’
      Jason Fried is slippery. Something about a Julie. Julie wrote a book..? People fun. šŸ‘©ā€šŸ’¼
      **Links:**
      [**LIMITED EDITION: PRODUCT BREAKFAST CLUB TEESHIRTS!!!**](https://represent.com/store/aj-smart-store) 😱🤯
      [PBC #53: How to Design Non-Sh**t Conferences with ANDY BUDD](https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial/53-how-to-design-non-sh-t-conferences-with-andy-budd-9e61e7c4613f)
      [PBC #11: Why Most Design Conferences Suck](https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial/pbc-11-why-most-design-conferences-suck-f6966b5b9951)
      [Mind the Product Conferences](https://www.mindtheproduct.com/2018/10/mind-product-conferences/)
      [Webdagene Conf](https://www.webdagene.no/)
      [**LIMITED EDITION: PRODUCT BREAKFAST CLUB TEESHIRTS!!!**](https://represent.com/store/aj-smart-store) 😱🤯
      [The Futur Podcast by Chris do](https://www.thefutur.com/category/podcasts/)
      [Katharina (@informationlovers) on Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/informationlovers/)
      [**LIMITED EDITION: PRODUCT BREAKFAST CLUB TEESHIRTS!!!**](https://represent.com/store/aj-smart-store) 😱🤯
      [Red Dead Redemption 2](https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption2/restricted-content/agegate/form?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rockstargames.com%2Freddeadredemption2%2F&options=&locale=en_us)
      [WESTWORLD Season 1 TEASER TRAILER](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ_lKz7TUVg)
      [**LIMITED EDITION: PRODUCT BREAKFAST CLUB TEESHIRTS!!!**](https://represent.com/store/aj-smart-store) 😱🤯
      [The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (Amazon)](https://www.amazon.com/Legend-Zelda-Breath-Wild-Nintendo-Switch/dp/B01MS6MO77?th=1)
      [**Buy Make Time!**](https://maketimebook.com/buy/)
      [**BOOK:** Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can’t Stop Talking by Susan Cain](https://www.amazon.com/Quiet-Power-Introverts-World-Talking/dp/0307352153/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1541974043&sr=8-1&keywords=quiet+the+power+of+introverts+in+a+world+that+can%27t+stop+talking)
      [PBC #52: Basecamp’s New Book is SAVAAAAAGE!](https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial/pbc-52-basecamps-new-book-is-savaaaaage-29173030bff4)
      [**LIMITED EDITION: PRODUCT BREAKFAST CLUB TEESHIRTS!!!**](https://represent.com/store/aj-smart-store) 😱🤯
      [**Buy Sprint!**](https://www.thesprintbook.com/buy/)
      [**Buy Make Time!**](https://maketimebook.com/buy/)
      [Check out, _nay_, GO BUY the **AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass**:](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass)[ajsmart.com/masterclass](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass) šŸ’°
      **Your Hosts:**
      * Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: [@jakek](https://twitter.com/jakek)
      * Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: [@jicecream](https://www.instagram.com/jicecream/)
      * Write into the podcast: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
      * Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: [PodcastTech.com](https://PodcastTech.com)
      Show Notes (fan made by [@amrkhalifeh](https://www.instagram.com/amrkhalifeh/)): https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial
      1 hr 3 min
    • 53: How to Design Non-Sh**t Conferences with ANDY BUDD
      Jonathan interviews Andy Budd, co-founder of [Clearleft](https://clearleft.com/) and the man behind popular design conferences like [UX London](https://2019.uxlondon.com/) and [Leading Design](https://2019.leadingdesignconf.com/newyork). Jonathan asks lots of questions and but doesn’t even get close to asking everything he wants to ask. Some of the topics Jonathan and Andy touch on:
      How Andy is pathological! It’s true! šŸ‘»
      What are conferences for? Spoiler: it’s not education! šŸ¤”
      How to connect with people at conferences? šŸ¤ššŸ»
      How does Andy balance watching over 500 conference talks a year with running Clearleft? 🤯
      Managing cashflow when running an agency. šŸ¤‘
      How to agency? 🧐
      Lastly they talk about selling out, because, spoiler, Jonathan is thinking of SELLING OFF AJ&SMART! WHAAAT! Yeah, no, just kidding. 😌
      **Links:**
      [Andy Budd on Twitter](https://twitter.com/andybudd)
      [andybudd.com](http://andybudd.com/)
      [Clearleft](https://clearleft.com/)
      [UX London 2019](https://2019.uxlondon.com/)
      [Leading Design Conf 2019](https://2019.leadingdesignconf.com/newyork)
      [PBC #11: Why Most Design Conferences Suck](https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial/pbc-11-why-most-design-conferences-suck-f6966b5b9951)
      [PBC #44: Growing USTWO + The Future of Creative Business with Jules Ehrhardt](https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial/pbc-44-growing-ustwo-the-future-of-creative-business-with-jules-ehrhardt-f862a17365f8)
      [PBC #49: MONA PATEL on Starting and Growing a Multi Million Dollar Design Agency](https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial/pbc-49-mona-patel-on-starting-and-growing-a-multi-million-dollar-design-agency-b7b78b26250a)
      [Ex Machina](http://exmachina-movie.com/)
      [Artificial Intelligence: The Norwegian Retreat](https://clearleft.com/posts/artificial-intelligence-the-retreat-in-western-norway)
      [SXSW](https://www.sxsw.com/)
      [**BOOK:** The E-Myth Revisited: Why Most Small Businesses Don’t Work and What to Do About It by Michael E. Gerber](https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Revisited-Small-Businesses-About/dp/0887307280/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1541398953&sr=8-1&keywords=the+emyth+revisited)
      [**BOOK:** Capital: A Novel](https://www.amazon.com/Capital-Novel-John-Lanchester/dp/0393345092)
      [Smashing Conf](https://smashingconf.com/)
      [**Buy Sprint!**](https://www.thesprintbook.com/buy/)
      [**Buy Make Time!**](https://maketimebook.com/buy/)
      [Check out, _nay_, GO BUY the **AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass**:](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass)[ajsmart.com/masterclass](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass) šŸ’°
      **Your Hosts:**
      * Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: [@jakek](https://twitter.com/jakek)
      * Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: [@jicecream](https://www.instagram.com/jicecream/)
      * Write into the podcast: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
      * Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: [PodcastTech.com](https://PodcastTech.com)
      Show Notes (fan made by [@amrkhalifeh](https://www.instagram.com/amrkhalifeh/)): https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial
      1 hr 15 min
    • 52: Basecamp’s New Book is SAVAAAAAGE!
      Jonathan starts with a rambly _4-minute_ intro that leads into a solocast since Jake’s not here. Jake’s in London doing more important stuff than talking to Jonathan. šŸ•ŗšŸ»
      Jonathan talks about Jason Fried and DHH’s new book, [It Doesn’t Have to Be Crazy at Work](https://www.amazon.com/Doesnt-Have-Be-Crazy-Work/dp/0008323445/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1540145273&sr=8-1). He even does a _dramatic reading_ of one chapter: _Launch and Learn_. Jonathan looks up a word in the dictionary. And surprise, surprise, Jonathan disses research again. šŸ“–
      Finally, Jonathan asks you for favors! šŸ™šŸ»
      **Links:**
      [Design Matters](https://www.designmattersmedia.com/designmatters)Ā 
      [PBC #X: Jason Fried gives us SAVAGE Product Advice](https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial/pbc-x-jason-fried-gives-us-savage-product-advice-316df7c11c93)
      [PBC #48: How to be a Product Leaderā€Šā€”ā€ŠSCOTT BELSKY](https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial/pbc-48-how-to-be-a-product-leader-scott-belsky-c7567dad6b7b)
      [PBC #49: MONA PATEL on Starting and Growing a Multi Million Dollar Design Agency](https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial/pbc-49-mona-patel-on-starting-and-growing-a-multi-million-dollar-design-agency-b7b78b26250a)
      [Jason Fried (Twitter)](https://twitter.com/jasonfried)Ā 
      [DHH (Twitter)](https://twitter.com/dhh)Ā 
      [**BOOK:** It Doesn’t Have to Be Crazy at Work by Jason Fried and DHH](https://www.amazon.com/Doesnt-Have-Be-Crazy-Work/dp/0008323445)
      [**Buy Sprint!**](https://www.thesprintbook.com/buy/)
      [**Buy Make Time!**](https://maketimebook.com/buy/)
      [Check out, _nay_, GO BUY the **AJ&Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Masterclass**:](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass)[ajsmart.com/masterclass](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass) šŸ’°
      **Your Hosts:**
      * Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: [@jakek](https://twitter.com/jakek)
      * Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: [@jicecream](https://www.instagram.com/jicecream/)
      * Write into the podcast: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])
      * Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: [PodcastTech.com](https://PodcastTech.com)
      Show Notes (fan made by [@amrkhalifeh](https://www.instagram.com/amrkhalifeh/)): https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial
      17 min

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