In this episode, Meghan Murphy speaks with Jake Shields, a longtime champion MMA fighter who spoke out against males competing against females in the sport, after Alana McLaughlin beat Celine Provost in an MMA fight at Combate Global on September 10 in Miami. Jake faced a wave of hate and backlash over his criticisms. Meghan and Jake discuss MMA, the debate over transwomen competing against females, "woke" culture, the Covid response, San Francisco, and more.

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