Heterodorx is on indefinite hiatus while one of us goes through some Life Stuff He Can’t Talk About. But here’s a recording from early April, released today, June 5. So much has already changed! For example, Nina’s favorite nutrition shake, Soylent, is no longer available. SAD! We also discuss vegans, vegetarians, having to eat meat when you don’t want it, a canceled (and then uncanceled) YouTuber, Spirit Island, house-moving helicopters and other Homo wner content, and greatly exaggerating reports of our death.

Links:

NinaPaley cancels the Vagina Museum: https://4w.pub/nina-paley-cancels-the-vagina-museum/

Spirit Island Archive: https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxDPRFpq-C3zd9_DhKA-j5IWCpnABOcuYy

FBoy Island: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/fboy-island/umc.cmc.6pvj6bxzk3vtisbuz0c8lg19f

Writer, podcaster, teacher, thinker, public discourser, and friend of the pod’ Megan Daum joins the Dorx to discuss 80’s music trivia. After which we talk about natalism: pro, anti, soft anti-, demi-, and a-. How wrong was Paul Ehrlich? Is the Demographic Transition Theory true? How has our understanding of (over)population changed? Are people better off having kids? Who will wipe our butts when we get old? What wallpaper goes with suicide? Were we really that clever and interesting in our 20’s, or just cute? And most importantly, WHAT IF??

Links:

The Unspeakeasy podcast: https://www.theunspeakablepodcast.com/

Unspeakeasy Retreats & Workshops: https://theunspeakeasy.com/

J. Geils Band: Centerfold

Peter and the Wolf

Unspekeasy Lionel Shriver interview: https://www.theunspeakablepodcast.com/p/lionel-shrivers-most-problematic

Nina’s abandoned late 1990’s/early 2000 antinatalist documentary Thank You For Not Breeding:

Selfish, Shallow, and Self-Absorbed: https://www.meghandaum.com/selfish-shallow-self-absorbed

Paul Ehrlich: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-00939-5

Demographic Transition Theory: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11618374/

Virginia Abernethy - Population Politics: https://www.routledge.com/Population-Politics-The-Choices-That-Shape-Our-Future/Abernethy-Hardin/p/book/9780765806031

Deluded and Immature by Nina (contains all the things I wanted to say on this podcast but didn’t): https://ninapaley.com/2022/10/04/deluded-and-immature/

The Baby Boon by Elinor Burkett: https://archive.org/details/babyboonhowfamil0000burk

After talking about health as we always do because we’re old, we pivot to diet — specifically veganism. Cori, who has never cared about animal rights, gamely steel-mans an argument in favor, while Nina, whose bleeding heart has caused anemia and possibly brittle bones, fearfully argues against. Along the way we cover tribes, rituals, purity, CRISPR, evolution, Lierre Keith, lactose tolerance, lactation intolerance, the Bible, abattoirs, eggs, nuts, Jordan Peterson, cults, The Liberation Pledge, and how Nina accidentally killed a bat when she was 17.

Since recording this on Passover 2026 (release delay 85% Cori’s fault) Nina worked through more of her apostasy, first writing The Law of Conservation of Evil and then Vegan Appreciation Day. She’s done now.

Links:

The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith: https://www.lierrekeith.com/book-ex_the-vegetarian-myth.php

Soylent (Creamy Chocolate is the only good flavor): https://www.amazon.com/Soylent-Chocolate-Protein-Replacement-Bottles/dp/B08H6FB43L?th=1

Nina’s Fecebook solicitation: https://www.facebook.com/nina.paley/posts/pfbid0EcMpKSUVyGm6356iEw8VeJXzRJhSP5X3YyVZkDKrUAVrMrYC4oUR3fMriQ8vA2xtl

Nina’s poll on Spinster: https://spinster.xyz/@ninapaley/posts/B4tQFS5G2srXYSm1Lc

Nina’s poll on Twitter:

Jordan Peterson’s Lion Diet: https://liondiet.com/the-diet-updated-march-2018/

The Liberation Pledge: https://veganfta.com/blog/2022/11/16/what-is-the-liberation-pledge-and-how-hard-is-it/

Vegan TERFFles (out of stock) (password: vegan): https://store.ninapaley.com/product/vegan-terffles/

Vegan Appreciation Day: https://ninapaley.com/2026/04/09/vegan-appreciation-day/

The Law of Conservation of Evil: https://ninapaley.com/2026/04/04/the-law-of-conservation-of-evil/

After obligatory discussion of the weather and other old people stuff, Cori lulls Nina to sleep with tales of AI: training software developers to use Claude Code, how one set of commands yielded 20 results, and other top-tier content. Then he relates his entire social media history from college onwards, culminating in his decision to leave X 2 weeks ago. Nina recalls her incarcerations in Fecebook Jail but can’t remember what funny intro she was gonna use this week. Plus: ramen shivs, Twitter fights, the algorithm and the app, titration, vegan Terffles, and more!

Links:

XX-XY Athletic Wear: https://www.xx-xyathletics.com/

Sora AI generated cat videos:

Sora: https://sora.chatgpt.com/

Grok Imagine: https://grok.com/imagine

Anheiser-Busch Superbowl ad:

Lierre Keith’s The Vegetarian Myth: https://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myth-Food-Justice-Sustainability/dp/1604860804

Recording shortly before Cori deletes his X account, the Dorx discuss chometz, pre-Pesach purging, and locking breakfast cereal in the basement. Nina feels “more Zionist than usual” and Cori criticizes Israel. Then Nina nerds out on recumbent bike history and describes the DREAM BIKE she is finally designing, dropping names like Craig Calfee, Gardner Martin, Fast Freddy Markham, Tom Teesdale, and AD Carson, while only hinting at frame-builder she’s collaborating with, Davis Carver. Cori wakes up from his nap and recalls searching “Death Before Detransition” on BlueSky, finding an unhinged rant by a “Silence-of-the-Lambs-level crazy” trans-identified male and likely future mass shooter (audio included). Plus: the Troon-to-Jew Pipeline, front- and back-end geometries, connecting supply chains with a jackshaft, Joscha Bach, Detransition Awareness Day, LiDAR, and Cori’s Substack. Jesus!

Links:

Cori’s Substack: https://substack.com/@corinnacohn

Nina’s dream bike blog page: https://ninapaley.com/jackalope-in-progress/

Gone to Soldiers by Marge Piercy: https://margepiercy.com/gone-to-soldiers

Champaign in the Bible: https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/encyclopedia-of-the-bible/Champaign

The Economist: “At Last, A Just War” by Yair Lapid: https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2026/03/01/at-last-a-just-war

Michigan synagogue attack: https://bridgemi.com/michigan-government/michigan-synagogue-attack-police-respond-to-shots-fired-truck-crash/

Nina is a Certified Food Handler, Cori is a Certified Ball Handler, and “bureaucracy just hasn’t been done right yet”. We helplessly learn about learned helplessness and why our episodes are so few and far between. Plus anomia (anomic aphasia), lesbian comedians, Robby Hoffman, rumination, and Iran. Why is the Islamic regime firing on its neighbors? Is this the beginning of World War 3? Is Nina emerging from cancellation? Why is Cori boycotting, divesting from and sanctioning NYC? If you can make it through all the distracting cat antics, you might hear some answers!

Links:

Iran So Far Away:

Food Handler Certification: https://aaafoodhandler.com/illinois/food-handler-card/

Disabling Impairments cards: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/disabling-impairments/

Discount card sets: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/playing-cards-double-decker/

Local non-woke bike shop: https://bakersbikes.com/

Robby Hoffman “No Backsies!”

Janet McNamera: Not Smart Enough:

Our Zartosht Soltani interview:

Nina gets invited to an animation festival for the first time in years, turning her world upside-down. Then we discuss the Great Mail-Order Terffles Experiment, which by the time of this writing (2 weeks after our recording, because Cori’s depression delays his editing even more than usual) has successfully concluded. Next we talk about the mounting list of trans mass shooters, and the desire of wikipedia editors to suppress it. Also guns, Reddit, aspirational truthiness, New York City, bike helmets, memory loss, and of course CATS and HEALTH ISSUES. Czech it out!

Links:

Wikipedia editors try to suppress a list of Trans Mass Shooters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2026_March_3#Category:Mass_shootings_by_transgender_individuals

I’ve Got A Little List:

Trans Rhode Island shooter: https://www.aol.com/articles/rhode-island-shooter-revealed-divorced-145701661.html

Paranoid American interviews Nina about AI:

Terffles: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/terffles/ (password: yum)

Nina weighs the pros and cons of offering her delicious chocolate Terffles at the local Farmer’s Market, while Cori is motivated by lulz. Is it a chocolate thing, or a gender thing? Which wins: love, humor, or domination? Can Cori work on the Sabbath? How can 2 things be true?? Plus: social climate change, Tranndies, just another trans male mass murderer, sex-denying journalists, cats, and the weather.

We recorded this over 10 days ago, and since then Nina launched and completed this brief Terffles-by-Mail experiment: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/terffles/(Link password: “yum”)That batch are literally in the mail now, making their way to their USA destinations.

Links:

Istanbul (Not Constantinople):

Too Darn Hot:

Art Coop “No TERFs” sign: https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/columns/jim-dey-terf-battle-in-urbana-averted/article_cdf7ecd4-2e0d-5759-84b7-fbbe653de2a5.html

Men’s Pocky: https://candycritic.org/pockyformen.htm

Carole Hooven calls out journalists lying about murderer’s sex:

Pusslims: https://x.com/_Islamicat

After Nina “sings” the theme song to The Electric Company and Cori talks about his cats, we discuss last week’s news: gender-critical lawyer Glenna Goldis’s hiring by the FTC post-firing by NY State Attorney General Letitia James, and detransitioner Fox Varian’s $2M lawsuit victory. Living up to our promise of quality content, we look up things on the Internet while recording. Then it’s time to talk Terffles: artisanal chocolates handmade (not handmaiden!) by a canceled TERF witch but inclusive of everyone. Will the Urbana Farmer’s Market accept Nina’s delicious Amaretto Amarena Amazeballs? Plus: “The age of Free Software is ending,” DEI parasites, PaleGray Labs, team names for a cat Cute-Off, Cory’s real name, and more!

Links:

Glenna Goldis hired by FTC: https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-admin-hires-glenna-goldis-lawyer-fired-by-letitia-james

Fox Varian $2M lawsuit: https://www.economist.com/united-states/2026/02/06/lawsuits-over-transgender-medicine-for-minors-could-be-huge

Benjamin Ryan, journalist: http://www.benryan.net/

ASPS Statement: https://www.plasticsurgery.org/documents/health-policy/positions/2026-gender-surgery-children-adolescents.pdf

AMA statement: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2026-02-06/american-medical-association-says-gender-surgeries-for-minors-should-wait

The Banality of Stupid (2017): https://ninapaley.com/2017/03/23/the-banality-of-stupid/

Hannah Ahrendt: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/banality-of-evil

Informed Dissent podcast: https://informeddissentpodcast.substack.com/

The Lunduke Journal: https://lunduke.com/

Rhapsody in Blue

Virtuoso tap dancing:

Disabling Impairments cards: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/disabling-impairments/

Enjoy a full hour of Cori and Nina at their best: arguing about attribution, pretending the male co-host is the “designated feminist,” and snarking about various current events. Cori asserts women, old people, and the disabled shouldn’t be on airplanes, and Nina, who is all 3 of those things, does her part. We read aloud an inane comment on our last episode that calls us “a genocide-supporting podcast.” Plus: Jo Freeman, Peggy McIntosh, Max Blumenthal, “self-hating Jews”, ICE vs Border Patrol, Jo Freeman, civil disobedience, buffoonery, policing, a ladyfinger in the face of the pope, Jo Freeman, misogyny, misandry, and Jo Freeman.

Finally, a Listener Challenge: write a one-paragraph Anglican sermon about misogyny. Please leave yours in the comments!

Links:

Jo Freeman: https://www.jofreeman.com/

Peggy McIntosh: https://www.wcwonline.org/Active-Researchers/peggy-mcintosh-phd

Kim K’s Komment: https://heterodorx.substack.com/p/episode-186-whats-happening-in-iran/comment/206704453

The GrayZone: https://thegrayzone.com/

Max Blumenthal: https://thegrayzone.com/author/max-blumenthal/

Alex Pretti: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alex_Pretti

Renee Good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ren%C3%A9e_Good

cat on trampoline video (is it AI or not?):

Civil Disboedience: https://blogs.law.columbia.edu/uprising1313/files/2017/10/Civil-Disobedience-by-Henry-David-Thoreau.pdf

Malcolm X: https://www.malcolmx.com/biography/

Dame Sarah Mulally: https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/about/sarah-mullally

Ladyfingers: https://baranbakery.com/savoiardi-biscuits-homemade-lady-fingers/