Heterodorx

Like a couple of common herd animals, Cori and Nina talk about the same movie everyone else is talking about. You Can See Everything raises questions: Does Elizabeth Holmes really believe what comes out of her mouth? Is her voice low? How maternal is she? Do b*****s be crazy? Why the 4:3 aspect ratio? Did they really stick cameras right up in their grills, or does super-high-res digital filmmaking permit severe cropping? Would Cori pee his pants to watch 3 more hours? Is it a trick or a hole in the hand?

Contains spoilers. Go watch it like everyone else — nothing heterodox about it — before listening.

Links

You Can See Everything https://a24films.com/films/you-can-see-everything

The Wizard of Oz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wizard_of_Oz

The Dropout https://www.hulu.com/series/the-dropout

Capturing the Friedmans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capturing_the_Friedmans

The Dorx are back with esteemed German cognitive scientist, AI researcher, and philosopher Joscha Bach, who…what does he do exactly? He tries to tell us but soon is discussing the unlikelihood AI will destroy humanity (humanity is likelier to destroy itself), “human values”, the paucity of adults, superstitious thinking, lack of consciousness, unreality, mutants, fatherhood, art, craft, God, gods, ethics, Aristotle, innocence, gender, the obvious, sacrifice, and using AI as your life’s CEO. Is the self a fiction? How much art do we really need? Are all Miyazake movies really about Heidi? And so much more!

We let Riverside’s own AI edit this episode, and it’s full of artifacts as a result. Consider it meta-commentary on this fascinating human conversation.

Links:

Joscha Bach’s website: http://bach.ai/

Joscha Bach’s Substack: https://joscha.substack.com/

Joscha Bach on X: https://x.com/Plinz

California Institute for Machine Consciousness: https://cimc.ai/

Cori is BACK and so is the Heterodorx podcast! We didn’t even realize this was our 200th episode when we discussed an “interesting” article on PITT (Parents with Inconvenient Truths about Trans) that got Cori’s gender-neutral underthings in a twist because he, too, was once the “girlfriend” of a young man whose parents blew up. We also wasted this most auspicious number on Microsexuality, Straight Fragility, the persistence of homophobia, social systems, Identified Patients, attraction to posts, and hot nights of Mario Kart followed by “satisfaction”. Plus: cats and health (of course!) and Ninas dream bike which she will actually be able to ride soon.

Links:

Nina’s dream bike: https://ninapaley.com/jackalope-in-progress/

What’s it like to survive Stage 4 abdominal cancer? The Dorx interviewed Alasdair over a year ago, shortly after he learned he was an immunotherapy “miracle patient.” But we never released that episode, partly because Nina cried about her own problems. Here Nina and Alasdair attempt to re-create April 2025 (not May, as Nina incorrectly asserts) and cover most of the same topics: emergency surgery, chemotherapy, heart failure, asking Dr Google, the woman across the infusion table, tuning out of genderworld, and robot litter boxes. All with less drama and more propriety!

But is that a good thing? Should Nina release the spiked episode, which she has since listened to, despite Alasdair’s protestations? Tell us in the comments!

Links:

When Sons Become Daughters by Angus Fox: https://quillette.com/tag/when-sons-become-daughters/

Alasdair interviewed by Benjamin Boyce:

With Cori on indefinite hiatus, gender critical statistics aggregator, writer, designer, miracle cancer survivor, and friend o’ the pod’ Alasdair Gunn humbly offers to serve in his absence. We discuss why we don’t want to discuss gender. According to our recording platform’s AI assistant, we also talk about:

* 00:00 - Introduction to the podcast’s themes and hosts

* 02:00 - Discussion on gender podcasts and societal fixation

* 05:46 - Reflections on aging, identity, and the concept of “crone”

* 08:10 - The social and political landscape of pride events and gender activism

* 12:49 - Society’s treatment of political figures and societal change

* 16:37 - Observations on youth, right-wing cringe, and political identity

* 20:18 - Personal anecdotes about pets and animal behavior

* 25:22 - Critique of education and societal control

* 30:45 - Personal health crises, autoimmune diseases, and medical treatment

* 40:03 - Reflections on raising children and social conditioning

* 48:36 - The societal response to activism and political protests

* 52:37 - The influence of societal narratives and the importance of saying no

* 60:12 - The history of communism, anarchism, and the personal stories of relatives

* 66:00 - Advances in medicine and personal health management

* 70:39 - The reality of living after life-threatening health crises

* 76:10 - The importance of respecting host, John Corey, and future guest planning

* 82:52 - Insights into Rene Girard’s work on scapegoating and societal myths

We miss you John Corey! But with replacements like Alasdair Gunn and Riverside’s Large Language Model, we continue on.

Resources:

* The Anatomy of Revolution by Crane Brinton

* Emma Goldman: Living My Life

* Rene Girard - The Scapegoat

* Nigel Farage | Twitter

* Oswald Mosley

Heterodorx is on indefinite hiatus while one of us goes through some Life Stuff He Can’t Talk About. But here’s a recording from early April, released today, June 5. So much has already changed! For example, Nina’s favorite nutrition shake, Soylent, is no longer available. SAD! We also discuss vegans, vegetarians, having to eat meat when you don’t want it, a canceled (and then uncanceled) YouTuber, Spirit Island, house-moving helicopters and other Homo wner content, and greatly exaggerating reports of our death.

Links:

NinaPaley cancels the Vagina Museum: https://4w.pub/nina-paley-cancels-the-vagina-museum/

Spirit Island Archive: https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxDPRFpq-C3zd9_DhKA-j5IWCpnABOcuYy

FBoy Island: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/fboy-island/umc.cmc.6pvj6bxzk3vtisbuz0c8lg19f

Writer, podcaster, teacher, thinker, public discourser, and friend of the pod’ Megan Daum joins the Dorx to discuss 80’s music trivia. After which we talk about natalism: pro, anti, soft anti-, demi-, and a-. How wrong was Paul Ehrlich? Is the Demographic Transition Theory true? How has our understanding of (over)population changed? Are people better off having kids? Who will wipe our butts when we get old? What wallpaper goes with suicide? Were we really that clever and interesting in our 20’s, or just cute? And most importantly, WHAT IF??

Links:

The Unspeakeasy podcast: https://www.theunspeakablepodcast.com/

Unspeakeasy Retreats & Workshops: https://theunspeakeasy.com/

J. Geils Band: Centerfold

Peter and the Wolf

Unspekeasy Lionel Shriver interview: https://www.theunspeakablepodcast.com/p/lionel-shrivers-most-problematic

Nina’s abandoned late 1990’s/early 2000 antinatalist documentary Thank You For Not Breeding:

Selfish, Shallow, and Self-Absorbed: https://www.meghandaum.com/selfish-shallow-self-absorbed

Paul Ehrlich: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-00939-5

Demographic Transition Theory: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11618374/

Virginia Abernethy - Population Politics: https://www.routledge.com/Population-Politics-The-Choices-That-Shape-Our-Future/Abernethy-Hardin/p/book/9780765806031

Deluded and Immature by Nina (contains all the things I wanted to say on this podcast but didn’t): https://ninapaley.com/2022/10/04/deluded-and-immature/

The Baby Boon by Elinor Burkett: https://archive.org/details/babyboonhowfamil0000burk

After talking about health as we always do because we’re old, we pivot to diet — specifically veganism. Cori, who has never cared about animal rights, gamely steel-mans an argument in favor, while Nina, whose bleeding heart has caused anemia and possibly brittle bones, fearfully argues against. Along the way we cover tribes, rituals, purity, CRISPR, evolution, Lierre Keith, lactose tolerance, lactation intolerance, the Bible, abattoirs, eggs, nuts, Jordan Peterson, cults, The Liberation Pledge, and how Nina accidentally killed a bat when she was 17.

Since recording this on Passover 2026 (release delay 85% Cori’s fault) Nina worked through more of her apostasy, first writing The Law of Conservation of Evil and then Vegan Appreciation Day. She’s done now.

Links:

The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith: https://www.lierrekeith.com/book-ex_the-vegetarian-myth.php

Soylent (Creamy Chocolate is the only good flavor): https://www.amazon.com/Soylent-Chocolate-Protein-Replacement-Bottles/dp/B08H6FB43L?th=1

Nina’s Fecebook solicitation: https://www.facebook.com/nina.paley/posts/pfbid0EcMpKSUVyGm6356iEw8VeJXzRJhSP5X3YyVZkDKrUAVrMrYC4oUR3fMriQ8vA2xtl

Nina’s poll on Spinster: https://spinster.xyz/@ninapaley/posts/B4tQFS5G2srXYSm1Lc

Nina’s poll on Twitter:

Jordan Peterson’s Lion Diet: https://liondiet.com/the-diet-updated-march-2018/

The Liberation Pledge: https://veganfta.com/blog/2022/11/16/what-is-the-liberation-pledge-and-how-hard-is-it/

Vegan TERFFles (out of stock) (password: vegan): https://store.ninapaley.com/product/vegan-terffles/

Vegan Appreciation Day: https://ninapaley.com/2026/04/09/vegan-appreciation-day/

The Law of Conservation of Evil: https://ninapaley.com/2026/04/04/the-law-of-conservation-of-evil/

After obligatory discussion of the weather and other old people stuff, Cori lulls Nina to sleep with tales of AI: training software developers to use Claude Code, how one set of commands yielded 20 results, and other top-tier content. Then he relates his entire social media history from college onwards, culminating in his decision to leave X 2 weeks ago. Nina recalls her incarcerations in Fecebook Jail but can’t remember what funny intro she was gonna use this week. Plus: ramen shivs, Twitter fights, the algorithm and the app, titration, vegan Terffles, and more!

Links:

XX-XY Athletic Wear: https://www.xx-xyathletics.com/

Sora AI generated cat videos:

Sora: https://sora.chatgpt.com/

Grok Imagine: https://grok.com/imagine

Anheiser-Busch Superbowl ad:

Lierre Keith’s The Vegetarian Myth: https://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myth-Food-Justice-Sustainability/dp/1604860804

Recording shortly before Cori deletes his X account, the Dorx discuss chometz, pre-Pesach purging, and locking breakfast cereal in the basement. Nina feels “more Zionist than usual” and Cori criticizes Israel. Then Nina nerds out on recumbent bike history and describes the DREAM BIKE she is finally designing, dropping names like Craig Calfee, Gardner Martin, Fast Freddy Markham, Tom Teesdale, and AD Carson, while only hinting at frame-builder she’s collaborating with, Davis Carver. Cori wakes up from his nap and recalls searching “Death Before Detransition” on BlueSky, finding an unhinged rant by a “Silence-of-the-Lambs-level crazy” trans-identified male and likely future mass shooter (audio included). Plus: the Troon-to-Jew Pipeline, front- and back-end geometries, connecting supply chains with a jackshaft, Joscha Bach, Detransition Awareness Day, LiDAR, and Cori’s Substack. Jesus!

Links:

Cori’s Substack: https://substack.com/@corinnacohn

Nina’s dream bike blog page: https://ninapaley.com/jackalope-in-progress/

Gone to Soldiers by Marge Piercy: https://margepiercy.com/gone-to-soldiers

Champaign in the Bible: https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/encyclopedia-of-the-bible/Champaign

The Economist: “At Last, A Just War” by Yair Lapid: https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2026/03/01/at-last-a-just-war

Michigan synagogue attack: https://bridgemi.com/michigan-government/michigan-synagogue-attack-police-respond-to-shots-fired-truck-crash/