Cori suddenly pivots to surprise Nina with an unexpected interview about her lifelong mental health affliction and the medication she takes to manage it. What is the difference between grief and depression? Should you “feel your feelings” when your feelings are broken? What is serotonin? Which is a better theory of the brain: etchings or bike gears? We know very little about brains, which raises another question: can we talk to an SSRI expert?

This is actually a pretty good discussion about depression and antidepressants, which is why we made it its own episode (the previous half is Episode 163: Cori’s Boobs Break The Internet.)

Link:

Back on ‘Zac by Nina: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2025/02/08/back-on-zac/

More than what you ever needed to know about Cori’s breasts! Are they real? Are they implants? Are they gynecomastia? Whatever you call them (Cori calls them “the Boys”) they never fail to upset certain people on Twitter. Plus: Cori’s sweater, Cori’s scarf, Cori’s weight, Cori’s latest testimony at the Indiana Statehouse, Cori’s political opponents, and — as if that weren’t enough — Cori’s conversion to Judaism!

We broke this episode in two because Part Two is about something completely different.

Links:

KJK goes after Cori: https://x.com/heterodorx/status/1889852099518955762

Cori’s testimony: https://x.com/heterodorx/status/1889695879658938488

Sia Liilii: https://nevadawolfpack.com/sports/womens-volleyball/roster/sia-liilii/11631

Chris Daley, Indiana ACLU: https://www.aclu-in.org/en/biographies/chris-daley

A founding editor of online magazine Queer Majority, Rio Veradonir advocates “an inclusive vision of queerness grounded in the liberal value of universal human rights, rather than identity politics.” We discuss liberalism, anti-liberalism, the gay press, extremism in media, neo-marxism, critical social justice, legitimate vs made-up oppression, population politics, the right to hurt yourself, the distribution of mens’ IQs, and, most importantly, pegging. Nina argues against surrogacy, Cori shares his podcast goals, and both admire Veradonir’s use of the word “orthopraxy.” We also use the word “retarded” because Heterodorx is a free speech zone. Liberty for all!

Links:

Queer Majority: https://www.queermajority.com/

Rio Veradonir: https://www.queermajority.com/about-the-editor-sub/about-the-editor-rv

Cynical Theories by Helen Pluckrose & James Lindsay: https://cynicaltheories.com/

The Baby Boon by Elinor Burkett: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Baby-Boon/Elinor-Burkett/9780743242646

Nina’s Sex-Positive Memoirs: https://4w.pub/sex-pos-memoirs/

Kaynes-Hayek Rap Battle: https://tinyurl.com/mrtbebbm

The Economist: https://www.economist.com/

San Francisco Sex Information: https://www.sfsi.org/

Andrea Dworkin on The Sexual Revolution: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2019/08/23/andrea-dworkin-on-the-sexual-revolution/

Wilfred Reilly: https://www.queermajority.com/contributors-1/wilfred-reilly

Daniel Quasar: https://designsbydanielquasar.com/pages/freelance-and-commissions/

Cori and Nina endure 2 hours of neo-religious propaganda so you don’t have to. Instead, you must endure 20 minutes of Nina attempting to recall plot points while Cori complains how long it’s taking. Are the characters flat, or nuanced? Is the movie merely terrible, or does it have cult classic potential? Is the director cleverer than we give him credit for? How much can the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences humiliate itself? Cori eventually talks himself into giving two thumbs up for “The Room of 2024” while Nina is just glad it’s over.

Links:

Emilia Pérez: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20221436/

Vaginoplasty song:

The Room: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368226/?ref_=fn_all_ttl_2

“Oh hi Mark”:

Cori and Nina take turns reading aloud Trump’s Executive Order 14168: Defending Women from Gender Identity Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government, commenting on every section. You won’t get a deeper analysis than ours, although you must endure Cori’s over-dramatic reading voice and the hosts’ occasional bickering.

Links:

Executive Order 14168: Defending Women from Gender Identity Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

TERFle Island: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_Island

Remember the Free and Open Internet? Tech journalist Bryan Lunduke does, and isn’t afraid to write about its demise one institutional capture at a time. We discuss having our hearts broken by our beloved Internet Archive; the Wikipedia Foundation’s shady dealings; the Electronic Frontier Foundation’s championing “the right for little children to look at porn on the internet”; and Mozilla’s “Feminist decolonial lgbtqia+ climate justice using AI event in Zambia.” Like any good journalists, we ask the tough questions: How do you get your name forbidden by ChatGPT? Who is more banned from conferences, Lunduke or Paley? Are we gonna have a free and open internet, or not? (Answer: not.) Whether you love nerds or merely are one, this entertaining episode will have you wanting to get offline more than ever.

Links:

The Lunduke Journal: Lunduke.com

ChatGPT Can Not Say “Bryan Lunduke”:

https://lunduke.substack.com/p/chatgpt-can-not-say-bryan-lunduke

The Cathedral and the Bazaar by Eric Raymond: http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/

Our Kiwi Farms/Josh Moon episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-107-how-the-internet-lost-its-backbone-with-joshua-moon/

Cori’s Kiwi Farms article:

https://corinnacohn.substack.com/p/the-world-should-not-need-kiwi-farms

Larry Sanger Speaks Out:

https://christopherrufo.com/p/larry-sanger-speaks-out

Women in tech: https://mimiandeunice.com/2018/11/07/women-in-tech/

Cori and Nina “deform” a flag and it goes viral for a few seconds, thanks to the outrage of self-diagnosed autists. But hysterical online denunciations aren’t what they used to be, especially when you identify as an A*****e, as Nina now does to treat her kindness dysphoria. Many questions arise about Cori: how human is he? Will he sue his “healthcare providers”? Would he have died sooner if he hadn’t transed? Will he convert to Judaism?

In sadder news, we mourn the passing of Cori’s cat, Harley. May his cute and fluffy memory be a blessing.

Links:

Pride Restored pins: https://store.ninapaley.com/product/pride-restored-pin/

Thank you for driving sales! https://x.com/sarahkahncept/status/1879229899476746749

Hahahaha: https://x.com/LostTelly/status/1879664783991230550

Helen Joyce and Jo CAMPBELL (who we embarrassingly misidentified as Jo Bartosch, sorry!): https://x.com/rorybowman/status/1879586791474512040

Judge Vacates Biden’s Title IX Rule: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/government/student-aid-policy/2025/01/09/federal-judge-throws-out-bidens-title-ix-overhaul

I Am An A*****e by Nina: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2025/01/16/i-am-an-a*****e/

Nina’s recent drawings: https://blog.ninapaley.com/category/100-drawings/

Lawyer and unyielding bicyclist Glenna Goldis knows the law, knows how to write, and knows women are female (ask her how!). After she describes her fancy road bike, and Nina lists her many recumbents, we move on to The US vs Skrmetti (also discussed here). Plus: cocaine, harm reduction, biker bars, the ACLU, propaganda, men in women’s prisons, “improper housing,” cults, academics, clergy, saviors, honor court, gay marriage, SOGI, judge trainings, and the nascent Gender Critical Law Society. Goldis reminds us, “the people who fall for a scam are the people who are targeted for a scam,” and asks the important question: will Kara Dansky “flip” for Cori? Tune in and don’t find out!

Links

Glenna’s substack: https://badfacts.substack.com/

Glenna on X: https://x.com/unyieldingbicyc

Who’s Who in US vs Skrmetti: https://badfacts.substack.com/p/whos-who-in-us-v-skrmetti

Rebecca Tuvel/Hypatia: https://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/05/25/open-letter-hypatia-controversy/

Easy Racers: https://easyracers.com/

GCCAN (now defunct): https://x.com/officialgccan

WoLF: https://womensliberationfront.org/staff-and-board

Alison Bechdel: https://dykestowatchoutfor.com/about/

Andrea Dworkin, “Abortion” from Right Wing Women: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2019/08/23/andrea-dworkin-on-the-sexual-revolution/

“Lesbians” in tech: https://mimiandeunice.com/2018/11/07/women-in-tech/

US v Skrmetti with Judge TERF: https://heterodorx.substack.com/p/judging-us-v-skrmetti-with-judge-891

Gender Critical Law Society survey: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe8Z0ZmL4JEmObumuUQzM-AzhbQ2UP_FNZijYVQEjSxGU0WlA/viewform

Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD) is a family disease, affecting not only “trans kids” but parents and siblings too. Therapist, coach, consultant, and educator Stephanie Winn returns to Heterodorx to illuminate some of the hazards parents and other family members navigate: victimhood as identity, drama triangles, destabilization, enabling secondary gain, estrangement, extreme defensiveness, exacerbating relationship difficulties, “game-able heuristics”, and the trifecta of social contagion. Cori and Nina talk a little about their own family difficulties, while Stephanie describes her course curriculum for parents. 

In this life, there’s no perfect parent. Indeed, there’s no perfect person. But there are two perfect people: your co-hosts, Cori and Nina. Happy Holidays from Heterodorx!

Links:

PITT (Parents with Inconvenient Truths about Trans): https://www.pittparents.com/

ROGD Repair: https://course.rogdrepair.com/p/rogd-repair

Stephanie’s podcast, You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist: https://www.sometherapist.com/

Stephanie's "The Nature of the Beast of Gender Ideology" episode: https://youtu.be/RChLTmyepsY?si=R8YQV2OQMkG8PZs_

2023 Ben Appel Heterodorx episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-103-doin-the-12-step-with-ben-appel/

2022 Stephanie Winn episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-75-stephanie-winn-is-some-kind-of-therapist/

AI Art Director, amateur comedian, band-aid specialist, DEI hire, and street researcher Chris Waites returns to Heterodorx — now with 10% more white! After disclosing some shattering news from 23&Me, Chris shares his expertise on AI generated visual art (please follow along on his Instagram page). Is AI art actually art? Does it threaten human art jobs? What are the differences between models such as Midjourney and DALL-E? Are there hot redheaded men? Is AI a tool, or a medium? Why can’t AI imitate Nina’s style? Can redheads have souls? Who produces more crap: humans or AI? What’s the best way to write an AI visual prompt? Can a Pokemon consent? From Tumblr fursona artists to Google Gemini, the time of scarce content is over and a new era of head-spinning disorientation has begun. Bleeeep!

Links:

Chris’s Instagram account: https://www.instagram.com/crswaites/

Our 2021 interview with Chris: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-18-a-black-band-aid-for-white-guilt-with-chris-waites/

Nina’s $150 Drawings: https://blog.ninapaley.com/category/hundred-dollar-drawings/

Sarah Anderson vs AI: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/31/opinion/sarah-andersen-how-algorithim-took-my-work.html

Preston Blair how-to-draw algorithms: https://animationresources.org/category/preston-blair/

Wim Wenders Until The End of the World: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Until_the_End_of_the_World

Chris Waites/Midjourney art for “Kick Out The Jams” https://www.instagram.com/p/DCXDmn3SFX5/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Chris Waites/Midjourney art for “We’re Not Going to Make It” https://www.instagram.com/p/DCXDCX4yUCw/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Chris Waites/Midjourney art for The Presidents of the United States of America https://www.instagram.com/p/DCMkG1rPXm7/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

“Bite Marks” by Suno AI & Cori Cohn: https://suno.com/song/fc8fe1ce-dd97-4846-88f1-66701f7e2721

Al Jaffee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jaffee

Don Martin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Martin_(cartoonist)

Google Gemini advises “Please Die” https://www.cbsnews.com/news/google-ai-chatbot-threatening-message-human-please-die/

Chris on fecebook: https://www.facebook.com/crswaites