Gene and Randall are rejoined by author and experiencer Philip Kinsella, who continues to talk about his book, “YOU – THE PUBLIC DECEIVED: The Grand UFO Deception.” In addition to talking further about the gray aliens he observed, he refers to other possible types of ET, such as the Nordics reported by UFO contactees in the 1950s and 1960s. Philip and Randall also have an extended conversation about the nature of consciousness, and the possible multifaceted reality of his abduction experiences. Apart from dozens of published articles on the paranormal, Philip has also appeared on Channel 4, Central, Live TV and Digital, Anglia News, along with radio interviews. He has also had other books published on the UFO phenomena, including “”Sky Crash Throughout Time: A Continued Investigation into the Rendlesham UFO Mystery,” which he coauthored with the first investigator/author on the case, Brenda Butler.

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