The NFC North just got mean again.

In this hour of Jen, Gabe & Chewy, the crew reacts to the moment that officially reignited the Packers–Bears rivalry: Ben Johnson’s postgame “bleep the Packers” behavior, including a dismissive handshake and trash talk that rubbed Green Bay fans — and players — the wrong way.

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Chewy doesn’t mince words, calling Johnson a “dweeb,” while also admitting the uncomfortable truth:

He’s also really, really good at his job.

That tension becomes the backbone of the hour.

🔥 Is this good for the game?

Jen argues the NFL is simply better when the Bears and Packers genuinely hate each other — not just in marketing slogans, but in real, visceral ways. The group debates whether we’ve actually ever seen both franchises be good at the same time, and whether this moment could finally change that.

They compare this rivalry flashpoint to:

Jim Harbaugh vs. Jim Schwartz

Aaron Rodgers’ “I own you” moment

David Bakhtiari’s middle finger

Old-school intimidation tactics that used to define rivalries

Hate, they agree, isn’t the problem — losing is.

🥊 Can the Packers punch back?

The key question of the hour:

Do the Packers actually have the horses to respond — or are they just talking?

The crew points out the uncomfortable reality:

Green Bay lost to Chicago

Lost in embarrassing fashion

Collapsed in the second half

Allowed Caleb Williams to run free

Couldn’t claim moral victories or trash-talk credibility

As one line lands hard:

You can’t pop off when you lost to that guy.

🧠 Matt LaFleur under the microscope

The conversation shifts to leadership and identity. If Ben Johnson is embracing the villain role, can Matt LaFleur ever be the type of coach who leads a team that punches back physically and emotionally?

The crew debates:

LaFleur’s “call my lawyer” vibe

Game-management issues that keep resurfacing

Whether this team lacks intimidation

If being “nice” has become a competitive disadvantage

🎩 Tip your cap… but hate him anyway

The hosts wrestle with a strange contradiction:

You can hate Ben Johnson’s behavior — but when you add “and he’s really good”, the insult loses its bite.

That realization fuels the frustration even more.

📊 Are Packers fans really enjoying this?

The hour closes with a bizarre stat from a new study ranking the Packers as the 3rd most enjoyable NFL team to root for.

The crew reacts with disbelief:

Five straight losses

A playoff embarrassment

Key injuries (Micah Parsons, Tucker Kraft)

Half the fan base wanting the coach fired

Is this actually enjoyable — or are fans just nostalgic for better days?

They break down why Packers fandom always ranks high:

National fan base

Historic success

Lambeau Field as a destination

Ticket demand skewing perception

But Jen asks the real question:

Are fans enjoying this right now — or just remembering when they used to?

🎧 Rivalry heat, uncomfortable truths, and the realization that hate is only fun when you can back it up — all on Jen, Gabe & Chewy.

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Do the Packers have a soft culture problem?

In this hour of Jen, Gabe & Chewy, the crew questions whether Matt LaFleur’s leadership style and standards are strong enough for a team that keeps getting pushed around in big moments. They revisit the now-infamous clip of Jordan Love getting his face shoved into the turf with almost no reaction from his offensive line, and ask if that’s on the players, the coach, or both.

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Chewy compares LaFleur’s approach to Mike Holmgren’s old-school edge, telling stories about being told to go after Deion Sanders on the first play of a game – and why intimidation and accountability are still part of winning football. The “Standards Over Feelings” slogan on the wall gets put under the microscope, with questions about:

Letting a non-captain run to midfield pregame with no consequences

Repeated personal fouls from Keyshawn Nixon

Visible loafing from certain defenders

Whether LaFleur truly enforces the standards he preaches

From there, the conversation pivots to Milwaukee and the Bucks, where things are just as tense.

The crew reacts to Bucks fans booing at Fiserv Forum during a blowout home loss to the Timberwolves (without Anthony Edwards or Rudy Gobert), and Giannis Antetokounmpo literally booing back at the crowd, complete with thumbs-down. They debate:

Is it fair for fans to boo when effort clearly isn’t there?

Did Giannis misread the boos as being aimed at him personally?

Should a franchise star ever boo his own fan base, even in frustration?

What it says when Giannis calls out effort, while Doc Rivers talks about “tired legs”

To close the hour, they dive into a sobering nugget from ESPN’s rookie class rankings:

The Packers’ 2025 rookie group graded 29th in the NFL on “snap index” and production.

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The crew breaks down:

Why Anthony Belton is basically the only consistent contributor so far

How little we really saw of Matthew Golden, Colin Oliver and others

Whether this is an indictment of Brian Gutekunst and the scouting approach

Why, with limited cap space and multiple roster holes, next year’s draft class has to hit

They also note the contrast with Chicago’s rookie class ranking 7th, and how the Bears made immediate use of their picks while Green Bay played a longer game.

It all adds up to one big question for Packers and Wisconsin sports fans:

Is this just a bad stretch, or is there a deeper problem with edge, standards and talent?

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Do the Packers have a soft culture problem?

In this hour of Jen, Gabe & Chewy, the crew questions whether Matt LaFleur’s leadership style and standards are strong enough for a team that keeps getting pushed around in big moments. They revisit the now-infamous clip of Jordan Love getting his face shoved into the turf with almost no reaction from his offensive line, and ask if that’s on the players, the coach, or both.

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Chewy compares LaFleur’s approach to Mike Holmgren’s old-school edge, telling stories about being told to go after Deion Sanders on the first play of a game – and why intimidation and accountability are still part of winning football. The “Standards Over Feelings” slogan on the wall gets put under the microscope, with questions about:

Letting a non-captain run to midfield pregame with no consequences

Repeated personal fouls from Keyshawn Nixon

Visible loafing from certain defenders

Whether LaFleur truly enforces the standards he preaches

From there, the conversation pivots to Milwaukee and the Bucks, where things are just as tense.

The crew reacts to Bucks fans booing at Fiserv Forum during a blowout home loss to the Timberwolves (without Anthony Edwards or Rudy Gobert), and Giannis Antetokounmpo literally booing back at the crowd, complete with thumbs-down. They debate:

Is it fair for fans to boo when effort clearly isn’t there?

Did Giannis misread the boos as being aimed at him personally?

Should a franchise star ever boo his own fan base, even in frustration?

What it says when Giannis calls out effort, while Doc Rivers talks about “tired legs”

To close the hour, they dive into a sobering nugget from ESPN’s rookie class rankings:

The Packers’ 2025 rookie group graded 29th in the NFL on “snap index” and production.

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The crew breaks down:

Why Anthony Belton is basically the only consistent contributor so far

How little we really saw of Matthew Golden, Colin Oliver and others

Whether this is an indictment of Brian Gutekunst and the scouting approach

Why, with limited cap space and multiple roster holes, next year’s draft class has to hit

They also note the contrast with Chicago’s rookie class ranking 7th, and how the Bears made immediate use of their picks while Green Bay played a longer game.

It all adds up to one big question for Packers and Wisconsin sports fans:

Is this just a bad stretch, or is there a deeper problem with edge, standards and talent?

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It’s Day Two of Matt LaFleur Watch, and Jen, Gabe & Chewy dig into the uncomfortable questions facing the Packers as contract extension talks loom.

With reporting indicating both sides want to get a deal done — but major gaps likely remain in years and money — the crew debates what LaFleur actually is as a head coach, and whether “good” is good enough in today’s NFL.

Key discussions include:

🏈 Is Matt LaFleur more than just a good coach?

The hosts agree LaFleur is an elite offensive designer and quarterback developer, but question whether he has proven he can:

Manage late-game situations

Hold players accountable

Get teams ready for the biggest moments

Seven seasons in, some issues remain unchanged — and that matters when talking about a long-term commitment.

💰 Why contract length may be the real holdup

The group suspects the negotiation comes down to:

LaFleur wanting five years

The Packers preferring three

That gap matters, especially if Green Bay is unsure he’s the coach who can lead them to a Super Bowl.

🔄 If you don’t believe, you have to move on

One core truth drives the debate:

If you don’t believe LaFleur can win a Super Bowl, then you have to find someone who can.

The crew reflects on how unpredictable coaching hires are — including how few people expected LaFleur to succeed when he was hired — and why firing a winning coach is always a massive gamble.

🧠 The assistant coach problem

A major frustration surfaces:

The Packers’ reluctance to spend money on assistants.

The discussion covers:

Why the offensive staff has barely changed in seven years

Why good assistants should be getting hired away if they’re truly impactful

How internal promotions can lead to stagnation

Why meaningful evolution often requires paying market value

🎙️ Jason Wilde joins later in the hour

Later, Jason Wilde joins to add context from inside the locker room:

Why star players publicly defending LaFleur matters

Why injuries can be an explanation without being an excuse

Why stability still holds real value — even in a results-driven league

⚖️ The bottom line

The hour ends with a simple challenge for the organization:

If LaFleur stays, something has to change — staff, structure, or expectations.

Because doing the same thing and hoping for a different postseason result isn’t a plan.

🎧 Thoughtful debate, real frustration, and a franchise-defining conversation — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy.

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The offseason came sooner than anyone wanted — and Jen, Gabe & Chewy waste no time digging into the hard reality facing the Packers front office.

This hour centers on Brian Gutekunst’s biggest challenge yet: fixing a roster with clear holes, limited cap flexibility, and no first-round pick — all while deciding who is actually worth keeping.

Key discussions include:

🏈 Why Gutekunst isn’t going anywhere — but isn’t blameless

The crew agrees there’s no real indication the Packers plan to move on from Gutekunst, but that doesn’t mean he escapes scrutiny. Decisions around the offensive line, cornerback depth, and roster reshuffling are directly tied to him.

💰 Cap reality vs fan expectations

The hosts break down why the Packers:

Aren’t as broke as they look

Aren’t flush with cash either

Can create space by moving on from veterans

Still can’t shop at the top of the free-agent market

🧱 Offensive line shakeup

Major debate around:

Letting Rasheed Walker walk

Trusting Jordan Morgan at left tackle

Moving on from Elton Jenkins

Whether Sean Ryan is worth re-signing

Yes, the “he looks like a lobster” analysis makes its return.

🎯 Who stays, who goes

Rapid-fire free-agent decisions:

Romeo Doubs

Malik Willis

Quay Walker

Kingsley Enagbare

Lucas Van Ness’ fifth-year option

The conclusion:

Depth matters — but price matters more.

🚫 Discipline problems

Keisean Nixon’s penalties become a major talking point:

77 yards in penalties

Among the most penalized players in the NFL

Why “edge” turns into “liability” too often

The crew argues discipline issues must be corrected immediately — not celebrated.

🔄 Defense after Parsons

The hour closes with a sobering truth:

Elite corners don’t exist in free agency. They’re usually protected by elite pass rush — something Green Bay lost when Micah Parsons went down.

Which means:

The front seven still matters more than any single cornerback.

🎧 Honest roster talk, cap math, and offseason reality — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy.

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Jen, Gabe & Chewy open the show reacting to one of the most embarrassing collapses in recent Packers history, as Green Bay blew a 21–3 lead and fell 31–27 in a game that many fans felt slipping away long before it actually ended.

The hour quickly turns into a referendum on Matt LaFleur.

With the Packers now:

Ending the season on a five-game losing streak

Losing three games this year while leading by 10+ points late

Showing repeated issues with discipline, execution, and game management

The hosts — and the callers — ask the unavoidable question:

Is it time to fire Matt LaFleur?

Key discussions include:

🏈 Why this collapse felt different

This wasn’t a back-and-forth loss — it was a total unraveling:

Missed field goals

Offensive stagnation after halftime

Defensive breakdowns

Mental mistakes and penalties

No answers once the Bears adjusted

The crew compares the feeling to infamous collapses like the NFC Championship loss in Seattle — where momentum slowly but unmistakably shifted.

📉 “You can be bad. You can’t be embarrassing.”

That line becomes the theme of the hour.

The hosts argue that losing happens — but being embarrassing is what costs people jobs. And this loss, with everything going wrong after everything went right, crossed that line.

📞 Fans want blood

Callers from Wisconsin and beyond flood the show:

Some demand LaFleur be fired immediately

Others argue firing him means also firing Brian Gutekunst

Some say the entire Ron Wolf–style structure needs to change

The divide is clear:

Fans aren’t just mad — they’ve lost trust.

🧠 The contract problem

Even if the Packers don’t want to fire LaFleur, the situation is complicated:

You can’t offer a lowball extension

You can’t let him coach as a lame duck

Trading him isn’t realistic

Waiting only increases uncertainty

The crew debates whether the longer the Packers wait, the more likely it is that LaFleur stays — even if everyone is uncomfortable with it.

🔄 If you fire him… you burn it all down

One of the hour’s most sobering points:

If you fire LaFleur, you likely have to:

Clean out assistants

Reevaluate the GM

Rethink the entire power structure

And that’s a massive gamble for a franchise that values stability.

The hour closes with one clear takeaway:

This isn’t about one game.

This is about patterns, embarrassment, and belief — and whether the Packers still believe Matt LaFleur is the coach who can lead them to a Super Bowl.

🎧 Raw emotion, honest debate, and a fan base at a breaking point — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy.

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The Packers blew another late lead — and the fan base has had enough.

Jen, Gabe & Chewy spend the hour reacting to a full-blown Packers coaching crisis, as calls and texts flood in demanding Matt LaFleur be fired after a season filled with collapses, penalties, mental mistakes, and special teams failures.

The crew debates the uncomfortable reality:

If the Packers move on from LaFleur, do they have to blow up the entire staff?

Key discussions include:

🏈 Why this collapse hit differently

This wasn’t one bad unit — it was everything:

Missed extra points and field goals

Poor long snapping and holding

Offensive line confusion vs the blitz

Boneheaded penalties (Keyshawn Nixon under heavy fire)

Conservative second-half play-calling

Defensive breakdowns in crunch time

The hosts agree:

Everyone contributed to the loss.

📊 The fan base has turned

Polls show 65–70% of fans want LaFleur fired, and callers echo the same frustrations:

Undisciplined football

Poor preparation

Repeated mental mistakes

Players not knowing assignments

The show examines whether this is fair — or emotional overreaction.

🎙️ Rob Demovsky joins

Later in the hour, Rob Demovsky joins to provide context around:

Why the Packers are expected to pursue a contract extension for LaFleur despite the outrage

Why stability for Jordan Love may outweigh public pressure

How contract talks can be both genuine — and strategic

Whether LaFleur could demand a deal the Packers won’t meet

Why Jeff Hafley is now viewed as more likely than not to land a head coaching job elsewhere

Demovsky explains why both sides still have an “out”, even if talks are ongoing — and why this situation must be resolved quickly before other coaching jobs disappear.

⚖️ Accountability vs reality

The hour closes with a sobering truth:

Players will move on faster than fans

Coaches are judged on results, not circumstances

And injuries don’t excuse repeated late-game failures

Whether LaFleur stays or goes, one thing is clear:

The Packers are at a crossroads — and this offseason will define the next era.

🎧 Heated debate, real frustration, and a franchise moment laid bare — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy.

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The Packers–Bears rivalry takes center stage with the NFC North potentially on the line, and Jen, Gabe & Chewy spend the hour breaking down what will actually decide this game — beyond hype and trash talk.

The discussion starts with a fundamental truth:

Chicago wins when it forces turnovers — and loses when it doesn’t.

The crew explains why this matchup hinges on a few critical areas:

🏈 Turnovers decide everything

The Bears are 2–6 when they don’t force multiple takeaways, and their defense relies heavily on capitalizing on mistakes. Jordan Love’s growth is praised — but the margin for error is razor thin. If Green Bay protects the football, the matchup tilts heavily in their favor.

🏃 Run defense vs game flow

The Bears will try to shorten the game with the run, setting up manageable third downs and keeping Love on the sideline. The Packers must:

Win on early downs

Force Caleb Williams into third-and-long

Avoid fatigue that doomed them late in previous matchups

🧠 Injuries & availability

The hour details why getting key players back — including along the offensive line and in the secondary — changes the complexion of this game for both teams. The hosts stress that neither side is fully healthy, making execution more important than talent.

🎙️ Jason Wilde joins

Later in the hour, Jason Wilde joins to reinforce the core point:

The Packers are the better team — if they don’t give the Bears short fields.

Wilde discusses:

Why teams try to run on Green Bay even when the numbers say otherwise

Why third-down defense is the real issue — not raw rushing yards

Why Jordan Love’s interceptions loom large given Chicago’s ball-hawking style

Why this is a game Green Bay should expect to win

The hour wraps with a simple conclusion:

This game won’t be won with quotes or emotion — it will be won by discipline, patience, and execution.

🎧 Smart rivalry analysis, playoff pressure, and no-nonsense football talk — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy.

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Bears week just got louder.

Jen, Gabe & Chewy break down how the Packers’ locker room reacted to the hit that knocked Jordan Love out of the previous matchup — and why Josh Jacobs telling the media “we took it personally” matters more internally than it does as trash talk.

The crew reacts to the Bears’ response to Jacobs’ comments, debating whether Chicago missed the point by focusing on what didn’t happen in the moment instead of how the hit grew in significance as Love missed multiple games.

Key topics include:

🏈 Why Jacobs’ comments weren’t about revenge

The hosts explain why this wasn’t about dirty play — it was about accountability and protection.

If something like that happens again, the Packers want it clear: the response will be different.

🔥 Jeff Hafley’s confidence moment

The discussion shifts to Jeff Hafley guaranteeing a Packers win, pounding the podium and walking off.

Is it bulletin-board material? Or a coach showing belief when his team needs it most?

🧠 Manufactured motivation vs real emotion

The crew debates whether this kind of “extra chatter” actually matters — or if it all disappears once the ball is snapped. They agree on one thing:

You can’t let emotion turn into penalties, flags, or mistakes, especially with a notoriously flag-happy officiating crew.

⚠️ Why this rivalry always simmers

From intimidation tactics to post-whistle interactions, the group explains how veteran teams manage edge — and why younger players must learn when to engage and when to walk away.

The conclusion is clear:

This game won’t be decided by quotes — it’ll be decided by discipline, protection, and execution.

🎧 Rivalry tension, locker-room insight, and Packers–Bears psychology — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy.

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ESPN’s Jason Wilde joins Jen, Gabe & Chewy with insight into the emotional edge surrounding Saturday night’s Packers–Bears matchup — starting with how the locker room reacted to the hit Jordan Love took in the previous meeting.

Wilde explains why Josh Jacobs’ comments were revealing, saying the hit on Love was taken personally by teammates — not as a call for dirty play, but as a sign of brotherhood, protection, and respect for their quarterback. Wilde notes that in franchises where belief in the QB is shaky, players don’t talk this way. In Green Bay, they do — and that matters.

The segment dives into:

🏈 Why defending Jordan Love matters

Wilde and the crew discuss how veteran teams respond when their QB is hit late, and why the Packers’ young offensive line may have lacked that instinct earlier in the season. Jacobs’ comments signal a shift toward accountability and edge.

🔥 Jeff Hafley’s confidence moment

Wilde reacts to Hafley’s postgame podium moment — pounding the desk and saying “we’re not done” before walking off. Some see bulletin-board material. Wilde sees something else:

A confident coach giving his players permission to believe.

🧠 Mentality heading into Bears week

Wilde describes the vibe around the building as muted but intense, with players feeling they “kicked one away” earlier and now expect to prove they’re the better team. He compares Hafley’s understated confidence to Matt LaFleur’s transparency — and contrasts both with Ben Johnson’s arrogance.

🛡️ Offensive line responsibility

The conversation also tackles the optics of the offensive line not reacting immediately to Love being hit. Wilde confirms the criticism is valid and explains why veterans like Elton Jenkins or Zach Tom likely would have responded — and why youth, rotation, and job security may have played a role.

Wilde closes by saying if a similar hit happens again:

There will be a response.

🎧 A revealing look inside the Packers’ locker room mindset, their loyalty to Jordan Love, and why this Bears matchup is about edge, belief, and identity — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy.

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