Jenova Chen (Journey, Flower) joins Ted on the show to talk about balancing creative risks, building a universally accepted game, interpreting test data like a doctor, and how thatgamecompany is just like a pirate ship.

Chen is the President & Creative Director at thatgamecompany. He is best known for his work on Journey.

For news and info on the AIAS, follow us on Twitter @Official_AIAS, Facebook or visit us at interactive.org. Email us at [email protected].