Jigar Shah has had an exceptional career as a commercializer of energy decarbonization solutions, from founding solar developer SunEdison, to putting his money where his mouth is with the original Clean Feet Investors fund, to co-founding the Carbon War Room with Richard Branson. Now he’s running the US Department of Energy’s Loans Program Office and has $40B of authority within manufacturing, innovative project finance, and tribal energy. In this broad and animated discussion, he asserts the value of the $504 million hydrogen storage and generation project in Utah the program funded, why he’s bullish on small modular reactors as well as wind and solar, and why HVDC is a big part of the USA’s energy transmission future but isn’t a slam dunk.