Why does Jim Gavin want to be president? 

What does a man in the prime of his life with a record of success and achievement gain from going to the Aras?

On Free State today Joe explains what makes his friend Jim Gavin tick. He explains his gift of leadership and how he serves his ego by giving power to others.

Dion offers a reason that a Jim Gavin presidency would be important.

They also look at the campaign to discredit Catherine Connolly and wonder what the grown ups have ever done for us.

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