Jobsharing And Beyond

Jake Stika is the co-founder and executive director of Next Gen Men and Chief Equity Leader at Equity Leaders.

Jake is a passionate speaker and facilitator focused on gender-based issues related to the social and emotional development of young men, the health and well-being of men in communities, and gender equity in workplaces. Jake was recently named one of Avenue Magazine's Top 40 Under 40, as well as having earned recognition from Ashoka, the British Council, and the Canadian Centre for Diversity and Inclusion. He has spoken at the United Nations as part of the Canadian Delegation, and participated in the UN Women Safe Cities Initiative Global Forum.

How to contact Jake?

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jakestika/

Next Gen Men LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/next-gen-men/

Equity Leaders website:

https://www.equityleaders.org/about-us

What we talked about:

2:32 Next Gen Men

5:35 Support for dads

10:18 Equity Leaders

14:23 Parenthood & resume "gap"

17:08 Flexible working

20:47 Lower birth rates & sandwich generations

25:43 Job sharing and diversity & inclusion

How to contact Karin?

How to connect with Karin Tischler, producer and podcast host of "Job Sharing and Beyond", and founder of Emily's Path Consulting (EPC):

Website: https://emilyspath.ca/

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Kristi Rible is founder of The Huuman Group™, a leadership consultancy focused on developing leaders who are intelligent across gender, culture, and generation. She is committed to humanizing the workplace through leadership programming and coaching initiatives that look deeply at the integration of work, life, and family and how we show up for ourselves and for others. She is an advocate for working mothers and also teaches a course at Stanford on the topic of motherhood & work.

Her international leadership experience spans more than twenty years of working across technology and consumer products for both public and startup ventures throughout Latin America, Europe, Asia, and Africa. To every consulting, teaching, or coaching engagement, she brings an intercultural and multidisciplinary perspective.

How to contact Kristi:

Work: www.thehuumangroup.com

Stanford Course: https://www.kristirible.com/stanford-course

Film: https://www.kristirible.com/film

Instagram: @kristirible @thehuumangroup

Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/kristirible

What we talked about:

4:00 The Huuman Group

11:13 Kristi's movie "Global Mothers, Global Daughters"

https://vimeo.com/390240296

17:31 Kristi's Stanford class "Motherhood & Work"

We then talked about flexible work including job sharing, how the pandemic is a punctuated equilibrium which basically means it forces systems and structures to change and how we have a stalled gender revolution as men are not involved in unpaid care work and flexible work equally yet.

Kristi mentioned the works of Paula England https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_England

and

Arlie Hochschild https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlie_Russell_Hochschild

How to contact Karin?

How to connect with Karin Tischler, producer and podcast host of "Job Sharing and Beyond", and founder of Emily's Path Consulting (EPC):

Website: https://emilyspath.ca/

Subscribe to the monthly EPC newsletter here! Q&A guest interview, interesting research findings, updates on previous "Job Sharing and Beyond" podcast guests, and exclusive previews about future guests!

LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/karin-tischler/

Instagram:

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Twitter: https://twitter.com/JobsharingByond

Twitter: https://twitter.com/karin_tischler

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/emilyspathca/?viewAsMember=true

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I am very appreciative to welcome two guests today! Luisa Hanke and Robert Frischbier.

For you as a long-time listener, you may remember episode 28 when I was first talking with Robert. I invited him back today as Luisa and he are collaborating, and I wanted to learn more about it.

Luisa founded the Vereinbarkeits Lab (translated to meaning work-life integration lab) in 2018. It is a network for business leaders, founders, HR professionals, and people interested in work-life balance. Luisa also works as a systematic coach supporting professionals focused on creating a family-friendly career.

Robert worked in the automotive industry for about 12 years after receiving his diploma in business administration.

While being responsible for the quality management and inside sales Robert learned how difficult it was for a young parent to balance work and life in a very traditional industry. That´s why he left the industry and focused on supporting all kinds of companies to become employee-friendly. Together with his wife Robert founded 2PAARSchultern which means two pairs of shoulders and describes their own lifestyle best.

Besides his work as a consultant and trainer, Robert works as an auditor for the renowned Bertelsmann Foundation certifying companies as family-friendly employers.

Together Luisa and Robert have created the Vereinbarkeits Academy where they offer a work-life balance facilitator training for professionals to teach them how to make their respective organizations more family-friendly.

The first part of my conversation will be with Luisa. Then Robert joins us for the second part. If you have not heard his previous episode on the show, here it is https://emilyspath.ca/job-sharing-and-beyond-robert-frischbier/

How to reach Luisa Hanke:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luisa-sophie-hanke-b302b9142/

LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/vereinbarkeits-lab/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/vereinbarkeits_lab/

Website: https://www.vereinbarkeitslab.de/

Vereinbarkeits Facilitator Course: https://www.vereinbarkeitslab.de/academy

How to reach Robert Frischbier:

Robert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-frischbier-4b939272/

2PAARSchultern: https://www.linkedin.com/company/2paarschultern-gbr/

Website – includes links to the podcast 2PAARSchultern: https://www.2paarschultern.de/

What I talked with Luise about:

4:53 Why did Luisa start Vereinsbarkeits Lab ?

9:13 3 Tips for returning professionals

14:03 Job sharing

27:47 Best practice work-life integration companies

33:24 Transferable skills from unpaid care work

What I talked with Luise and Robert about:

42:47 What is the Vereinbarkeits facilitator course about?

45:30 Why do professionals seek out the academy?

49:35 How do they take back their information to the company?

54:40 Where do you see the work-life integration situation in 5/ 10 years?

How to contact Karin?

How to connect with Karin Tischler, producer and podcast host of "Job Sharing and Beyond", and founder of Emily's Path Consulting (EPC):

Website: https://emilyspath.ca/

Subscribe to the monthly EPC newsletter here! Q&A guest interview, interesting research findings, updates on previous "Job Sharing and Beyond" podcast guests, and exclusive previews about future guests!

LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/karin-tischler/

Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/jobsharingandbeyond/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/JobsharingByond

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Freelance journalist Heather Bolen's Medium article "How a Simple Platform Fix Can Help Millions of Women Trying To Re-Enter the Workforce: LinkedIn must remedy its implicit bias against women" was published on International Women's Day 2021.

It went viral and caught LinkedIn's executives' attention when Fortune magazine reached out to them for a response as they were writing an article about it and it sparked the introduction of LinkedIn's new job titles.

In today's episode, you will hear more from Heather's article, what transferable skills she gained during her time as a stay-at-home mom and ex-pat, and thoughts on how to normalize unpaid care workers in the future.

Heather's original article:

https://bettermarketing.pub/how-a-simple-platform-fix-can-help-millions-of-women-trying-to-re-enter-the-workforce-5dc12165cf73

Fortune's article: https://fortune.com/2021/03/30/linkedin-stay-at-home-mom-caretaker-titles-profile/

Interview with BBC:

https://www.recruitingnewsnetwork.com/posts/linkedin-caregiver-titles-including-adding-stay-at-home-parent

Interview with NPR:

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/18/988572586/writer-gets-linkedin-to-make-room-for-parents-trying-to-re-enter-workforce

Heather's LinkedIn info: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heather-bolen-995a1876/

Heather's website: https://heatherbolen.com/

LinkedIn's Bef Ayenew's article:

https://blog.linkedin.com/2021/april/12/a-better-way-to-address-career-gaps

Carol Fishman Cohen: iRelaunch

https://www.irelaunch.com/

Marketing strategist, full-time community activist, and volunteer Lori Sugarman-Li wrote a thought-provoking LinkedIn article "I don't get paid. So what am I worth?" which really resonated with the LinkedIn community and led to many heartfelt comments as well as private messages.

I asked Lori about the reasons for writing her article, what transferable skills she has learned from her unpaid care work time and being an ex-pat, and how LinkedIn could become a more inclusive platform for unpaid professionals.

Lori's article: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/i-dont-get-paid-so-what-am-worth-lori-sugarman-li/

Lori's subsequent article: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/stay-at-home-mom-power-brand-lori-sugarman-li/

Lori's LinkedIn info: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lori-sugarman-li-50592911/

Last but certainly not least, I asked for some feedback from Victoria Ipri, a seasoned executive and middle management resume and job search coach and LinkedIn marketing expert.

Victoria created a LinkedIn post with a poll asking for feedback on the new LinkedIn job titles. It gathered more than 130k views and created a very lively discussion. I asked her about some feedback from the comments and what surprised her the most.

I also mentioned that a Vanderbilt University research study resulted in suggesting that professionals should be more open about their employment "breaks" and ask Victoria for her feedback about it.

Victoria's LinkedIn post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/victoriaipri_linkedin-stayathome-covidparenting-activity-6784853125774757888-rsSn

Victoria's LinkedIn info: https://www.linkedin.com/in/victoriaipri/

Research study: https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2016/05/19/for-women-re-entering-workforce-sharing-personal-information-may-get-you-hired/

My reference to Katharina Schleeberger's German LinkedIn post that went viral about her struggling to find a leadership position while working 30 hours a work: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/katharina-schleeberger_femaleleadership-globaldigitalwomen-diversity-activity-6793221812957401088-9v6O

Robert Frischbier, one of my upcoming guests next week talked to me on episode 28: https://emilyspath.ca/job-sharing-and-beyond-robert-frischbier/

Additional episodes about support for returning professionals/ non-linear career paths/ transferable skills from care work:

https://emilyspath.ca/podcast-episodes-with-details/

Chris Parke

Heike Rosenberg

Tiina Bruno

Julianne Miles MBE

Prof. Beatrix Dart

Margret Steinle

Dr. Stephanie Robben-Beyer

Prof. Dr. Eleonore Soei-Winkels

How to contact Karin?

How to connect with Karin Tischler, producer and podcast host of "Job Sharing and Beyond", and founder of Emily's Path Consulting (EPC):

Website: https://emilyspath.ca/

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https://www.instagram.com/jobsharingandbeyond/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/JobsharingByond

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In this new style of episode, I asked my guests from episodes 32 to 35 a series of quick questions. It was really insightful to hear the answers from Ali Caravella (#32), Michael Ray (#33), Hannah Hall-Turner & Rachel Maguire (#34), and Sher-li Torrey (#35) and to get to know them a bit more.

List of the favorite books my guests mentioned:

"Fair Play" by Eve Rodsky

"Man's Search for Meaning" by Viktor Frankl

"The Song of Achilles" by Madeline Miller

"Wuthering Heights" by Emily Brontë

"Give and Take" by Adam Grant

Links to the guest episodes:

Ali Caravella: https://emilyspath.ca/job-sharing-and-beyond-episode-32-ali-caravella/

Michael Ray: https://emilyspath.ca/job-sharing-and-beyond-episode-33-michael-ray/

Hannah Hall-Turner & Rachel Maguire: https://emilyspath.ca/job-sharing-and-beyond-episode-34-hannah-hall-turner-rachel-maguire/

Sher-li Torrey: https://emilyspath.ca/35-job-sharing-and-beyond-episode-sher-li-torrey/

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How to connect with Karin Tischler, producer and podcast host of "Job Sharing and Beyond", and founder of Emily's Path Consulting (EPC):

Website: https://emilyspath.ca/

LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/karin-tischler/

Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/jobsharingandbeyond/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/JobsharingByond

Twitter: https://twitter.com/karin_tischler

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/karintischlerbc/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/emilyspathca/?viewAsMember=true

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/EmilysPathConsulting

I am delighted to introduce Sher-li Torrey today! Her own experience about becoming a mother inspired her to start up Mums@Work in Singapore in 2010 and Career Navigators in 2016.

In our conversation, Sher-li talked about her decade-long focus on creating flexible work opportunities and back-to-work initiatives for returning professionals with companies who are focused on work-life integration.

She also shared examples of events for her 40,000 member strong community of moms from workshops, career fairs, her portal, and more.

It was very interesting to learn how covid19 has influenced unpaid care work and dads' involvement in Singapore.

Sher-li and I also spoke about job sharing and why it has not really taken off in Singapore. I appreciated her honest feedback which will help you, our listener when setting up job sharing in your own organization or becoming a job sharer.

Other topics included transferable skills from unpaid care work as well as how younger generations will influence the job market going forward.

How to contact Sher-li:

Website: https://www.mumsatwork.net/about

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherlitorrey/

What we talked about:

3:15 Why did Sher-li start Mums@Work?

7:10 How did she get companies involved?

17:34 Paternal leave in Singapore

33:56 Job Sharing

46:08 Transferable skills from unpaid care work

How to connect with Karin Tischler, producer and podcast host of "Job Sharing and Beyond", and founder of Emily's Path Consulting (EPC):

Website: https://emilyspath.ca/

Subscribe to the monthly EPC newsletter here! Q&A guest interview, interesting research findings, updates on previous "Job Sharing and Beyond" podcast guests, and exclusive previews about future guests!

LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/karin-tischler/

Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/jobsharingandbeyond/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/JobsharingByond

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@thejobsharepair are two working mums, Hannah Hall-Turner and Rachel Maguire, on a mission to raise the profile of job sharing in the world of work and make it an accessible option for anyone!

They began their own job sharing partnership upon their return to work, in the role of HR Director for a globally reaching professional services firm, following their first maternity leaves (their first babies having been born 6 days apart). At that point, they were the only job sharers in the UK arm of that business. After making a success of their own job share and realising both how underutilised job sharing is within the UK labour market and what a missed opportunity this represented for so many businesses, they initially set up their Instagram account to network with other job sharers, share best practice and highlight great job sharing case studies. This was the first step towards launching what is now their innovative and successful coaching and consulting business, The Job Share Pair Ltd.

Fuelled by their passion to normalise job sharing as a way of working, and utilising their 25 years combined experience in HR (with over half of these in Board level leadership positions), they focus on helping others reach their full potential at work without compromising family life or free time. They demystify the methodology of job sharing to organisations, providing them with all the tools needed to make it work, as well as providing bespoke coaching services for job share partners, their managers and their teams, to maximise the effectiveness of their unique partnership and provide the best opportunity for seamless working success.

They are huge advocates of flexible working, with a particular focus on job sharing, and the impact that a positive work life balance/blend can have on individuals, organisations, and communities.

How to best contact Hannah and Rachel:

For more information, please visit www.thejobsharepair.com, search for @thejobsharepair on Instagram and Facebook, connect with Hannah Hall-Turner and Rachel Maguire on LinkedIn or email [email protected].

What we talked about:

5:22 Why did they start The Job Share Pair Ltd.?

7:24 How did they hear about job sharing?

9:10 What surprised you the most about job sharing?

11:37 Things they wished they had known prior to job sharing?

14:52 Myths of Job Sharing

26:07 How to make Job Sharing more well-known?

31:45 Advertising & Job Sharing?

36:16 GenZ & Millenials Impact on Job Sharing

45:10 She-cession impact

47:20 Personality for successful Job Sharing

As discussed in the episode:

Video from Association PTO/ Go For Job Sharing.ch:

https://youtu.be/viLtChEdHpY

Inaugural "Job Sharing and Beyond" episode with Irenka Krone & Nina Prochazka:

https://emilyspath.ca/job-sharing-and-beyond-episode-1-irenka-krone-and-nina-prochazka/

How to connect with Karin Tischler, producer and podcast host of "Job Sharing and Beyond", and founder of Emily's Path Consulting (EPC):

Website: https://emilyspath.ca/

Subscribe to the monthly EPC newsletter here! Q&A guest interview, interesting research findings, updates on previous "Job Sharing and Beyond" podcast guests, and exclusive previews about future guests!

LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/karin-tischler/

Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/jobsharingandbeyond/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/JobsharingByond

Twitter: https://twitter.com/karin_tischler

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For Michael Ray, becoming a Dad at the tender age of 49 was a shock in itself, and two years after that– an even bigger shock - that he found himself as the sole parent to his beautiful baby girl - Charlie.

Michael speaks about his insights from his personal journey raising his daughter and the profound impact being a solo dad has had on his outlook.

He addresses the gender and societal roles that are no longer applicable and the negative impact on organisational, business and personal outcomes. Michael speaks straight from the heart and his ability to connect, resonate and inspire people is obvious.

He has had numerous TV and radio appearances and has been featured on a number of both local and international publications and podcasts.

How to connect with Michael:

Website: www.michaelray.com.au

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-ray-574079183/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/michaelray_solodad/

What we talked about:

3:04 Michael's Story

8:21 Perception of dads

12:56 The ballet school incident

27:10 Parental leave in Australia

31:31 Transferable skills from care work

35:31 Flexible work

39:39 Leave loud, leave proud

41:26 "Who knew" - Michael's upcoming book

How to connect with Karin Tischler, producer and podcast host of "Job Sharing and Beyond", and founder of Emily's Path Consulting (EPC):

Website: https://emilyspath.ca/

Subscribe to the monthly EPC newsletter here! Q&A guest interview, interesting research findings, updates on previous "Job Sharing and Beyond" podcast guests and exclusive previews about future guests!

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Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/jobsharingandbeyond/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/JobsharingByond

Twitter: https://twitter.com/karin_tischler

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/emilyspathca/?viewAsMember=true

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Ali Caravella is a mom of 2, leadership coach, and human capital consultant dedicated to helping organizations support, engage, and retain women and caregivers in the workforce. As a former Head of HR and management consultant, Ali is keenly aware of the power of successful people strategies as well as the immense deficits organizations face without them.

She is a certified change management professional and helps organizations and individuals adapt, transform, and thrive during today's unprecedented times. Ali received her degree in Mathematics from Vanderbilt University and uses an analytical and fact-based approach to solve business and people challenges.

How to reach out to Ali:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/acaravella/

WRK360: https://www.linkedin.com/company/wrk360/

What we talked about:

6:43:White Paper about the impact of covid on professional women

10:50: Video project what companies can do to retain more women

16:18 Why is job sharing still so uncommon in the USA?

24;30 Men need to do more caregiving

28:14 How do we normalize the conversation about unpaid care work in the workplace?

How to connect with Karin Tischler, producer and podcast host of "Job Sharing and Beyond", and founder of Emily's Path Consulting (EPC):

Website: https://emilyspath.ca/

Subscribe to the monthly EPC newsletter here! Q&A guest interview, interesting research findings, updates on previous "Job Sharing and Beyond" podcast guests and exclusive previews about future guests!

LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/karin-tischler/

Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/jobsharingandbeyond/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/JobsharingByond

Twitter: https://twitter.com/karin_tischler

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/karintischlerbc/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/emilyspathca/?viewAsMember=true

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Chris Parke was awarded a scholarship MBA from Imperial College London and has a Diploma in Clinical Organisational Psychology from INSEAD. He has been an executive coach for over 15 years. Chris is the co-founder of Talking Talent, a global coaching practice which supports some of the world's leading organisations to retain and develop talent.

Chris wrote his INSEAD Thesis on understanding the complex transition professional women make when they return to work after having children and how organisations could better retain talented women through maternity. This work underpins some of Talking Talent's unique coaching models and tools for the maternity transition, a core area of expertise.

Chris started his career in investment banking with BZW, where he worked across Europe and Asia. Following his MBA he moved into consulting with PwC and managed cross border organisational and cultural change projects. It was here that Chris' interest in leadership psychology, and helping teams or individuals realise their full potential built. Chris joined Cedar International, a coaching company in London to pursue this.

From there his passion for the commercial benefits of gender diversity, and balanced leadership teams led Chris to co-found Talking Talent.

How to reach out to Chris:

Website:

https://www.talking-talent.com/en

LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-parke/

https://www.linkedin.com/company/talking-talent-ltd/

What we talked about:

5:20 Why did Chris co-found Talking Talent?

6:54 What changes in the corporate world has Chris noticed during the 15 years of Talking Talent?

11:26 Corporate engagement during maternity leave or with alumna?

16:07 Dads & flexible work & unpaid care work

30:35 Can the pandemic create normalization for returners due to the remote work of so many workers ?

33:31 Why is job sharing still so underutilized?

40:44 Support for returners

43:55 The importance of being an inclusive leader

This is the last episode for this first season. Thank you so much for listening! Please find here the highlighted link to the anonymous "Job Sharing and Beyond" podcast Season 1 survey! Thank you so much for providing feedback to make Season 2 even more helpful and productive for listeners around the world!

How to connect with Karin Tischler, producer and podcast host of "Job Sharing and Beyond", and founder of Emily's Path Consulting (EPC):

Website: https://emilyspath.ca/

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