Cindie has been dealing with some illness the past few days, and while she's feeling better, we both thought it would be best for her to take the day off. Fortunately for us, our old friend Joel Elston had some last-minute room available in his schedule for a return visit! Enjoy the conversation, and also, tell a friend to tell a friend about the LOA Today app. Give them this URL to subscribe: https://www.loatoday.net/subscribe