Shifting from Western theo-logic to Eastern theo-poetics thinking, vulnerability and transformation, Eneagram5, narcissistic pastors and healing, disrupting the institution, rethinking Job and “upgrading” faith, kayfabe, apokatastasis and a better gospel, interpreting The Prophets with restoration not damnation, and spiral dynamics, in this conversation John Chaffee and the guys dove into the restoration of all things.

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