Vrain Waves: Teaching Conversations with Minds Shaping Education

John Hattie on Visible Learning and Feedback


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Episode 018: John Hattie, Visible Learning

We are so excited to share with you the conversation we were lucky enough to have with Dr. John Hattie - educational researcher, professor, Director of the Melbourne Educational Research Institute, and overall brilliant person. Please enjoy, and send your questions, comments, discussions to us @VrainWaves to keep this conversation going!

Connect with Dr. John Hattie

Twitter: @john_hattie, @VisibleLearning | Website: https://visible-learning.org/

Connect with Vrain Waves

Twitter: @VrainWaves | Becky Twitter: @BeckyEPeters | Ben Twitter: @mrkalb

Links & Show Notes

  • Out of our heads and into the classroom (01:18)
  • Graphic Jam / dual coding (02:15)
  • Everyone Can Create, Apple (03:45)
  • Show me your values (04:17)
  • Intro to John Hattie (07:11) | Hattie’s Meta-Analyses
  • Start of interview (07:49)
  • Hardware / software / inside - How we think (08:52)
  • What is visible learning & what problem does visible learning answer? (10:38)
  • 95-97% of what we do increases achievement to some degree
  • Above average effect = >0.4 effect size / List of influences
  • Know thy impact (13:59)
  • Professional development (15:25)
  • Moving from ‘how we teach’ to ‘how we interpret our impact’
  • Hattie’s visible learning team workflow: (17:30)
  • Teachers are to “D.I.E.” for
  • Diagnosis = Needs Analysis (16 to 20 factors) - ask staff, teachers, students
  • Intervention & Implementation
  • Make sure the intervention addresses the diagnosis
  • Implement effectively
  • Evaluation
  • Use a portfolio of evidence to change how we think
  • Evaluation vs. Research (20:03)
  • Evaluative mindset for educators
  • Graham Nuthall’s research | book: Hidden Lives of Learners |
  • Feedback discussion (23:28)
  • Feedback given v. feedback received
  • What type of feedback is received? (25:30)
  • Importance of where to go next
  • Amount of feedback the teacher receives about where to go next (26:40)
  • June 2018 EdWeek article w / Dr. Hattie on Feedback (2018)
  • 2011 article on feedback
  • Directions for Assessment in New Zealand | NZ Assessment for Learning
  • Visible Learning Feedback book, 2018
  • Assessment-Capable Learners (28:33)
  • Book: Developing Assessment-Capable Visible Learners
  • Teaching students to be interpretive about their test scores
  • Book: 10 Mindframes for Visible Learning
  • Assessment as helping the teacher
  • Nuthall: students know 40-60% of what is being taught
  • ASCD Article - Fisher, Frey, Hattie: Assessment-Capable Learners
  • Class Size Discussion (34:24)
  • 0.2 effect size
  • Same instruction in smaller v. larger classes (35:45)
  • Hattie’s 2015 Reports: What Doesn’t Work in Education: The Politics of Distraction | What Works Best in Education: The Politics of Collaborative Expertise
  • Gene Glass research
  • Andreas Schleicher: TED Talk - Use Data to Build Better Schools
  • Classroom relationships (39:32)
  • Henry Levin (40:52) - The Economics of Student Time | Mapping the Economics of Education
  • How do we make schools more inviting for students (40:03)
  • Science of Learning Center in Melbourne (42:23)
  • Australian Institute for Teaching and School Leadership (43:20)
  • Strengths-based Education (45:56)
  • ...more
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