The resumé of John Mearsheimer reveals a man of both intellect and pragmatism. Once an officer in the United States Air Force, he’s now a lauded professor at the University of Chicago with a highly critical eye turned to international relations.

John takes aim at the continuing violence in Gaza, and claims that the Israeli government is actively committing a genocide in the region. Piers plays devil’s advocate, and John bats away his criticisms. The real fight begins when Piers turns the conversation to support for Ukraine, which John sees as a doomed endeavour. While John argues for an end to the conflict as soon as possible, Piers holds him to the logical conclusions of his position, which is that failing to support Ukraine would be a reward for the dictator in the Kremlin.

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