Writer and now fellow podcaster Jon Ronson joins James for a remarkable interview that dives into some of the dark worlds his work inhabits, from public shaming to psychopaths, right up to internet porn revolution and the twisted journeys it took Jon on.Jon discusses his latest project The Butterfly Effect, as well as highlights from his spectacular body of work including The Psychopath Test, The Men Who Stare At Goats, So You've Been Publicly Shamed, Them: Adventures with Extremists and The Elephant In The Room: A Journey into the Trump Campaign and the 'Alt-Right'.To hear more from Jon, search your podcast client for The Butterfly Effect with Jon Ronson.

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